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So, I just noticed this... It seems to me, by the wording, say a sorcerer takes Variant Multiclass Cleric, she cannot actually spontaneously cast healing spells because healing spells are not 'the appropriate spells' on her spell list... also because she's a sorcerer does that further screw her... or is this all just bad wording and yeah she can heal?
Deity: At 1st level, she must select a deity within one alignment step of her own. She gains the cleric's aura, bonus languages, code of conduct, and restriction from casting spells of opposed alignments. She also gains the cleric's spontaneous casting ability, which she can use with any prepared casting classes that have the appropriate spells on their spell lists.
It lets you spontaneously cast a spell you could have (in theory anyway) memorized instead, it doesn't add anything to spell lists or give more spells known.
In other words, no it doesn't help a sorcerer. What you are hoping for is entirely different (and more powerful) than what this gives.
The sorcerer is also not a prepared casting class, so it isn't relevant to a sorcerer even if the sorcerer somehow did have healing spells on her spell list.
It'd be useful for witches, druids, shamans, rangers, and paladins. All other classes either lack the spells or aren't prepared casters.
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Right, so for the most part any class that would actually benefit from Variant Multiclass Cleric... doesn't.
Looks like I'll be houseruling it then, just cause really letting a sorcerer have a few healing spells isn't going to break a game.
Reminds me of the wonderfully worthless Dreamed Secrets feat. It used to be useful, but the whole "Arcane Heritage" spells known is not the same as being on your spell list and you cannot cast a spell unless it's on your spell list even if you know it nerf made it worthless... It will never be errataed because it's not a core book nor is it even PFS legal (nor will it ever be)
Let's see I am a divine caster who wants to be able to learn wizard spells (can change them each day, after a night's rest)... but in order to do so they must already be on my spell list...
So yeah, I'll just take some Wis drain to be able to cast spells I already can cast.
Given that the feat in question there was written well after the FAQ was published, and it explicitly requires you to be a divine caster, there is an argument to be made that the language is specific enough to override the general rules of the FAQ. For prepared casters, it says "you can prepare this spell".
It might need its own thread with its own FAQ button to press, however.
The VMC ability is not ambiguous in its language, however. It says you need the spells on your spell list in order to use the spontaneous casting. If you want a druid or a witch to have spontaneous healing, you could certainly do worse than what the VMC gives you.
Right, so for the most part any class that would actually benefit from Variant Multiclass Cleric... doesn't.
Actually, it looks like one part of the first level power of variant multiclass cleric, that doesn't even cost a feat to get, doesn't provide much of an advantage for anyone. Either it is pretty minor benefit or no benefit at all.
This is certainly by design, and to be expected, but of course you can change it if you don't like it.
(You might note that many VMCs don't get anything at all at 1st level)
Reminds me of the wonderfully worthless Dreamed Secrets feat. It used to be useful, but the whole "Arcane Heritage" spells known is not the same as being on your spell list and you cannot cast a spell unless it's on your spell list even if you know it nerf made it worthless... It will never be errataed because it's not a core book nor is it even PFS legal (nor will it ever be)
I dont see any probs whatsoever with a cleric using this feat ???
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Given that the feat in question there was written well after the FAQ was published, and it explicitly requires you to be a divine caster, there is an argument to be made that the language is specific enough to override the general rules of the FAQ. For prepared casters, it says "you can prepare this spell".
It might need its own thread with its own FAQ button to press, however.
The VMC ability is not ambiguous in its language, however. It says you need the spells on your spell list in order to use the spontaneous casting. If you want a druid or a witch to have spontaneous healing, you could certainly do worse than what the VMC gives you.
No, the feat in question was NOT written after the FAQ, because it is the biggest most debated problem with the FAQ on the announcement page, where basically Paizo said what amounted to "Oops, sorry. Yeah that feat gets broken. We don't care though, cause it's not PFS legal so house rule it."
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I dont see any probs whatsoever with a cleric using this feat ???
Reminds me of the wonderfully worthless Dreamed Secrets feat. It used to be useful, but the whole "Arcane Heritage" spells known is not the same as being on your spell list and you cannot cast a spell unless it's on your spell list even if you know it nerf made it worthless... It will never be errataed because it's not a core book nor is it even PFS legal (nor will it ever be)
Why would you? You are a cleric, you have EVERY SPELL ON THE CLERIC LIST. This feat lets you use Wizard spells by suffering Wis drain... But by the FAQ they must be on the Cleric list also... which means you need to already have the spells... So you suffer Wis drain but get no benefit. The cleric CAN use the feat... but any player that does as it's written with the new FAQ is more insane than their character.
Why would you? You are a cleric, you have EVERY SPELL ON THE CLERIC LIST. This feat lets you use Wizard spells by suffering Wis drain... But by the FAQ they must be on the Cleric list also... which means you need to already have the spells... So you suffer Wis drain but get no benefit. The cleric CAN use the feat... but any player that does as it's written with the new FAQ is more insane than their character.
I recall the ruling affects spontaneous casters (ie oracle). I cant see the problem with a cleric (prepared caster) using the feat to its intended effect.
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I recall the ruling affects spontaneous casters (ie oracle). I cant see the problem with a cleric (prepared caster) using the feat to its intended effect.
Why would you? You are a cleric, you have EVERY SPELL ON THE CLERIC LIST. This feat lets you use Wizard spells by suffering Wis drain... But by the FAQ they must be on the Cleric list also... which means you need to already have the spells... So you suffer Wis drain but get no benefit. The cleric CAN use the feat... but any player that does as it's written with the new FAQ is more insane than their character.
But why? The spell has to be on your spell list already by the 'errata' to the base rules on spells being added to spells known. So you can add wizard spells, but can only cast those that are on your cleric spell list. Therefore, the only class it MIGHT help is the Oracle to get some extra spells known since they don't already have them all. But a cleric does, so the feat hinders a cleric.