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...for purposes of Totemic Summons ability of Bear Shaman? :)
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...for purposes of Totemic Summons ability of Bear Shaman? :)
Nope.
Bear-Animal
Owlbear-Magical Beast
Not even same type.
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No, not even a little.
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Is it an OWLbear an OWL?
Is an owlbEAR an EAR?
Actually, even ef it is not the same type and it is not an animal, it has a place in "Summon Nature's Ally" list (level 4). Near a Grizzly Bear. So I was just thinking about summoning with totemic summon.
The origin of the owlbear is a subject of great debate among scholars of the monstrous creatures of the world. However, most concur that at some point in the distant past, a deranged wizard created the original specimens by crossing an owl with a bear—perhaps as proof of some insane concept about the nature of life, but possibly out of sheer lunacy. Whatever the original purpose of such a freakish creation as the owlbear, the creature bred true and has become quite well-established in woodlands across the world, where it plays a key role in a region's ecosystem as an apex predator.
You asked if an Owlbear counts as a Bear.
It does not.
That is the answer.
Kinda like how a Giant Scorpion isn't a Giant.
Goblins aren't Titans.
Iron Golems aren't Ropers.
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Agreed with the majority.
Just because a sword is long, it's not necessarily a long sword.
A dragonne is not a dragon.
Secure shelter is not a spell with "cure" in the name.
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Ok, Ok! :) I'm asking not beacuse "Owlbear" has a "bear" in it's name -_- Totemic summons says, that you can summon "bears". "Bears" must be a group of creatures for me (in fantasy setting - larger), not only one single species. And I just wanted to know, can we add an owlbear, like a "fantasy bear-like creature" to this list.
No "secure shelter" and "cure" or "torch" with the word "orc" stuff :)
Ok, Ok! :) I'm asking not beacuse "Owlbear" has a "bear" in it's name -_- Totemic summons says, that you can summon "bears". "Bears" must be a group of creatures for me (in fantasy setting - larger), not only one single species. And I just wanted to know, can we add an owlbear, like a "fantasy bear-like creature" to this list.
No "secure shelter" and "cure" or "torch" with the word "orc" stuff :)
Again, the answer is no.
Bears are animals.
Owlbears are not. They might as well be called Clawmonsters.
Secure shelter is not a spell with "cure" in the name.
Hmmm. :)
Agreed with the majority.
Just because a sword is long, it's not necessarily a long sword.
A dragonne is not a dragon.
Secure shelter is not a spell with "cure" in the name.
Technically your last point isn't correct.
No GM in their right mind would allow Secure Shelter to be cast spontaneously by a cleric, but... Cure is in the name. :D
Well it's not even a cleric spell, to the issue is moot, I guess. :)
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Agreed with the majority.
Just because a sword is long, it's not necessarily a long sword.
A dragonne is not a dragon.
Secure shelter is not a spell with "cure" in the name.
Technically your last point isn't correct.
No GM in their right mind would allow Secure Shelter to be cast spontaneously by a cleric, but... Cure is in the name. :D
That would be funny to find all the spells with letters c-u-r-e in a row somewhere in the name
Almost. Obscure object might work, though.
I was being facetious.
It's irrelevant, as they only spontaneously cast 'Cure' spells, not spells with Cure in the name...
My failed attempt at humor.
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However:
a cure spell is any spell with “cure” in its name
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However:
a cure spell is any spell with “cure” in its name
Interesting.
Obviously not what they intended, but you could argue that spontaneous casting of 'cure' spells just got a lot better.
;)
Obviously not RAI, but apparently RAW.
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Is it an OWLbear an OWL?
Is an owlbEAR an EAR?
A tORCh is an ORC weapon...
A tORCh is an ORC weapon...Is it an OWLbear an OWL?
Is an owlbEAR an EAR?
I need to make a sunder-oriented ranger with favored enemy (orc)...
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I've been using the Secure Shelter gag (I believe obscure object is the only other candidate) for a few years now when arguing that you not only have to look past the strict letter of the rules and consider the whole rule in question when determining what the rules actually are (basically RAW vs RAI, but also with a holistic approach to the entire rules text in question, so you can't isolate a single fragment of rules and claim that's how it works).
It's pretty clear to me that the ability in question is meant to apply to ursine animals (bears) and not other creatures that may share traits with bears (owlbears) or that have bear in the name (koala bear).
A lenient GM might allow it, but it'd fall under house rules.
That would be funny to find all the spells with letters c-u-r-e in a row somewhere in the nameAgreed with the majority.
Just because a sword is long, it's not necessarily a long sword.
A dragonne is not a dragon.
Secure shelter is not a spell with "cure" in the name.
Technically your last point isn't correct.
No GM in their right mind would allow Secure Shelter to be cast spontaneously by a cleric, but... Cure is in the name. :D
Someone needs to make this guide!
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I don't know but I do know they're both Catholic.
edit: Looking at the SRD it seems the only other non "Cure" Cleric spell with "cure" in the name is Obscure Object. There is an arcane spell Secure Shelter. But that's it, short list :(
Obscuring Mist doesn't have the word in the name, technically. But it does have "cur", but you'd need to be a Wolf Shaman to use it.
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I would totally allow it.
Then again, In my home game I apply subtype descriptors to almost all critters, specifically to adjudicate stuff like this. A werebear can use lycanthropic empathy with anything with the [ursine] subtype, and a bear shaman can summon things likewise.
However:
a cure spell is any spell with “cure” in its nameInteresting.
Obviously not what they intended, but you could argue that spontaneous casting of 'cure' spells just got a lot better.
;)
Obviously not RAI, but apparently RAW.
Since we're going down this tangent - I'd argue that the rules say that it must have the word "cure" in its name as opposed to simply the letters c, u, r, and e in that order somewhere in its name.
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I think they are honorary bears but the magic only identifies them as a bear if the happen to be carrying the special certificate of ursine authenticity. Most owlbears don't happen to carry it on their person. Er, ... on their bear. Wait, I mean on their owlbear.
Alternatively there could be a Starship Magicscan that has a bridge full of being who dish out magical energy every time someone casts an arcane spell. There is probably one of them called Info who loves scanning for life forms (pretty little life forms). Info is highly intelligent and knows how to tell the genetic differences between bears and the similar yet still genetically different owlbears.
There was actually a symposium on the topic at the interdimensional senate and it was voted on and decided that henceforth that the owlbear is not to be considered a bear for any magical purpose. Only owlbears who happen to have their certificate of bearthenticity on them AT THE TIME can be considered a bear for any other legal or rights based decision. Requiring the paperwork to be on paw/talon really helps to cut down on enforceability.
This is, of course, an entirely rules based answer. Its all right there in the books. I can't call out page numbers right now because I don't have my books on me right now. Sorry. I hope this was helpful.
No it doesn't actually. See my rule quote in post #19.
FYI - The same rules I listed above applies to Bugbears.
I say anything with Bear in its name is a bear.
This includes all NPCs named Bear.
I say anything with Bear in its name is a bear.
This includes all NPCs named Bear.
Summon Giant Advanced BEARnard (4th level expert) like a Nature's Ally? Why not.
What about particularly hirsute gentlemen?
Argh! Ninja'd on my beard joke! (Or close enough, anyway).
On the plus side, I'm inspired to develop a druid archetype called an "Owlbeard." Think bees, but with owls...
Can you summon pall BEARers or torch BEARers or flag BEARers or ?
More seriously, can you summon a were BEAR?
If you can summon a were BEAR, then you most certainly can summon a Care BEAR, right?.
What about a BEARded Devil?
What about a load BEARing wall?
Can I summon ball BEARings?
I'm sorry if this seems unBEARably overBEARing, but I lack the forBEARance to abstain, I guess that's my cross to BEAR...
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This discussion is really hard to bear.
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I have been summoned.
Hello.
I'd allow it only if you were playing a Bear Shaman and had the Owl Bear Companion boon.
Is it an OWLbear an OWL?
Is an owlbEAR an EAR?
owLBear- does it weigh a pound?
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This thread, quite unlike the owl, is entirely unbearable.
I'm now picturing an owlbear male stripper, wearing nothing but a giant stuffed bear's head.