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I misread the thread title as "vote for your favorite poll in this poll".
Interesting. D&D really is crushing Pathfinder on this. Personally, I like Pathfinder's options enough to overlook the balance issues, but I get why 5th Ed is pulling strongly ahead.
Well, before I started sharing the link, D&D was crushing PFRPG alot more than it is now. PFRPG was like at 19%. As of this post, it is at 36%.
I voted for other, but don't feel like signing up for a new site just to post one response. My other is World of Darkness (old).
Voted for 4th, followed closely by 3.PF and 5e.
Pathfinder groups on Facebook.
Pathfinder for me as well. (I couldn't sign in...)
Same. Pathfinder is exactly what I want in an RPG.
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Meh. 5e is the new shiny thing. Doesn't mean it's bad, doesn't mean it's good, but it's got buzz.
One of my gaming group (who as usual, is involved with other gaming groups), snapped up the 5e materials as soon as they were available. They got all excited, played some, and sounded a lot like they preferred 5e. Then after about a month, they killed their campaign and have come back to Pathfinder. While they liked 5e overall, they came to miss the detailed, intricate matrix of abilities that this game has.
All I'm saying is that the poll measures exactly one thing: what button people are currently inclined to click on. Doesn't represent actual popularity, sales, long-term success, or quality.
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Meh. 5e is the new shiny thing. Doesn't mean it's bad, doesn't mean it's good, but it's got buzz.
One of my gaming group (who as usual, is involved with other gaming groups), snapped up the 5e materials as soon as they were available. They got all excited, played some, and sounded a lot like they preferred 5e. Then after about a month, they killed their campaign and have come back to Pathfinder. While they liked 5e overall, they came to miss the detailed, intricate matrix of abilities that this game has.
All I'm saying is that the poll measures exactly one thing: what button people are currently inclined to click on. Doesn't represent actual popularity, sales, long-term success, or quality.
Meanwhile, I have yet to see a GM who bothered to learn 5e go back to PF. One is writing up his own system.
Well I'm sure not switching to DnD.
Would love if Paizo would just do 2nd edition and fix all the crappy stuff dragging down Pathfinder.
Would love if Paizo would just do 2nd edition and fix all the crappy stuff dragging down Pathfinder.
The vast number of systems that aren't Pathfinder, which aren't selling as well as Pathfinder supports the oddball suggestion that all the crappy stuff is why many of us are playing Pathfinder.
Would love if Paizo would just do 2nd edition and fix all the crappy stuff dragging down Pathfinder.The vast number of systems that aren't Pathfinder, which aren't selling as well as Pathfinder supports the oddball suggestion that all the crappy stuff is why many of us are playing Pathfinder.
It's not.
You may think the crap is what you want just because it is difficultly tied to the goodstuff and not even high quality products like 5e retain all of the good stuff of PF.
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I wish they included the numbers. 50% doesn't mean much if there's only been a hundred voters.
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This poll is a classic example of priming and poll manipulation. I would not in the least be surprised to find it the product of the 5e marketing department.
Notice how the question is not "What is your favorite RPG system?" Instead, the poll writers ask "Is D&D 5e superior to Pathfinder?" It's the kind of "Great game or best game ever" phrasing that automatically predisposes inattentive readers to the former at the expense of the latter.
Then note the way the two systems are described. In the first sentence of the D&D blurb, it is "mythical" - not a "game about myths" but a "mythical" game; a subtle double entendre that establishes D&D (not just 5e) as a superlative. Pathfinder is merely described as a "much younger game than its main competitor." This is simply untrue in the parameters of the poll. D&D 5e is younger than Pathfinder. But the sly substitution pits every edition of one game against a single edition of the other. This increases the pool of respondents likely to view the Hasbro game favorably, since it is 5 games vs. 1.
The Pathfinder blurb is filled with references to D&D - again, not 5e, but the entirety of the D&D corpus. It is described only in derivative terms, thus biasing readers to vote against it; who wouldn't want the 'original' instead of the 'knock-off'?
But at least the poll is a good chance for a lesson in critical thinking...
Feh.
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To be fair though Pathfinder is a knock-off. Or at least the core book. When you take the original rules of a rpg. Add a few houserules. With the original material being 80%+ rehash. Well you can't really sell let alone promote the knockoff as original imo. Gamers can tell themselves that it's not D&D simply because of a name change. Yet dressing a goat in a expensive suit is still a goat wearing a expensive suit.
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This poll is a classic example of priming and poll manipulation. I would not in the least be surprised to find it the product of the 5e marketing department.
Notice how the question is not "What is your favorite RPG system?" Instead, the poll writers ask "Is D&D 5e superior to Pathfinder?" It's the kind of "Great game or best game ever" phrasing that automatically predisposes inattentive readers to the former at the expense of the latter.
Then note the way the two systems are described. In the first sentence of the D&D blurb, it is "mythical" - not a "game about myths" but a "mythical" game; a subtle double entendre that establishes D&D (not just 5e) as a superlative. Pathfinder is merely described as a "much younger game than its main competitor." This is simply untrue in the parameters of the poll. D&D 5e is younger than Pathfinder. But the sly substitution pits every edition of one game against a single edition of the other. This increases the pool of respondents likely to view the Hasbro game favorably, since it is 5 games vs. 1.
The Pathfinder blurb is filled with references to D&D - again, not 5e, but the entirety of the D&D corpus. It is described only in derivative terms, thus biasing readers to vote against it; who wouldn't want the 'original' instead of the 'knock-off'?
But at least the poll is a good chance for a lesson in critical thinking...
Feh.
That site runs a whole bunch of "which is the best ever...out of these two?" polls and from looking over a couple, they're pretty lousy.
I very much doubt WotC marketing department would mention that 4E was poorly received (they've been careful not to in all their marketing of 5E). Nor would they take the risk of running a poll and potentially having it close or of them losing when they can just state that D&D has outsold every other game by orders of magnitude over the years.
I agree with you that it's a poorly worded, not very meaningful exercise - but I think it's much more likely to be that site's schtick than some clumsy wotc marketing ploy.
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I very much doubt WotC marketing department...
Sorry - that part was sarcastic and I forgot the sarcasm tag! You are, of course, correct. Which I'm *not* being sarcastic about. Or that. Oh crap! I can't tell any more...
Seriously though, no sarcasm in this reply. Why is it impossible for me to type that without reading it back to myself in a sarcastic tone!? Gah! *gives up on language, resorts to gestures and snack foods*
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Try a manly grunting and using your lips, chin, and/or nose to gesture to something. It often works better, communication-wise, than internet posts.
EDIT: well, there are less arguments, anyway... >.>
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Try a manly grunting and using your lips, chin, and/or nose to gesture to something.
For some reason, that always ends with me getting the Heimlich...
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I very much doubt WotC marketing department...Sorry - that part was sarcastic and I forgot the sarcasm tag! You are, of course, correct. Which I'm *not* being sarcastic about. Or that. Oh crap! I can't tell any more...
Seriously though, no sarcasm in this reply. Why is it impossible for me to type that without reading it back to myself in a sarcastic tone!? Gah! *gives up on language, resorts to gestures and snack foods*
Everything you've ever written is obviously sarcastic.
*grunts and briefly purses lips in a direction*
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Cue edition war in 3....2.....
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ADVANCED RULES
BASIC DROOLS
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The vast number of systems that aren't Pathfinder, which aren't selling as well as Pathfinder supports the oddball suggestion that all the crappy stuff is why many of us are playing Pathfinder.
I suspect that most people play Pathfinder for the same reason I do. I play it, not because I like the system (though I do, despite its significant flaws), but because it's the system I'm most comfortable with. I generally don't have to go looking for what spells do what or what level a class gets stuff because I've been playing this general system since 3.0 came out and this specific one since the commercial release. It's hard to say if I like Pathfinder better or if I like Scion better or if I like Monster-of-the-Week better or whatever because I don't have the same level of system mastery. I had zero interest in D&D Next/5th Ed/whatever when it was being developed, but having looked at it since publication I like what I see. However, I don't play it because it's hard to teach the 6+ people in my gaming group a new system while learning it myself enough to run competently (because Bob knows no one else would deign to run the damned thing...sigh...I miss just playing). Instead we play Pathfinder, because it's comfortable.
Again, that's not to be taken as my slagging off Pathfinder. I love Pathfinder enough to keep buying the books and learning the new stuff, but whether or not it's my favorite system is debatable.
At least we can all agree that FATAL is still the worst.
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Would love if Paizo would just do 2nd edition and fix all the crappy stuff dragging down Pathfinder.The vast number of systems that aren't Pathfinder, which aren't selling as well as Pathfinder supports the oddball suggestion that all the crappy stuff is why many of us are playing Pathfinder.
The reason people play Pathfinder probably has to do with all of the rules and character generation being readily available for free on the internet. Also the fact anything which is popular has an easier time staying popular than whatever it has to compete with. The fact that wotc locked all their crap behind a paywall and forced people to give them a monthly fee just to make a character is probably the single biggest reason 4e died, despite being a superior system.
I doubt people stick around with Pathfinder because they like poorly designed rules, or terribly balanced classes.
From the list, I'm going with Paladin (any alignment though). Second is tied with Cleric and Rogue.
Overall, basically any class from the Path of War supplement
I find this to be an unanswerable question. I love pathfinder though I find it deeply flawed and have a 3 page pamphlet of house rules.
But I also like 5e for a lot of the stuff it did differently than PF, and some of that stuff isn't even worse in pathfinder, it's just different, like for example that bonuses to rolls dont range from 0 to 20 (BAB, skill ranks) but rather from 0 to 6 (proficiency or lack thereof)
I've also played the Dark Eye which is really fun and interesting, much more detailed and complex than PF, but sometimes so much more that it becomes cumbersome. This would probably rank below the other two.
PF was my clear favourite by a long shot until 5th rolled around, then the two were somewhat at the same level for me.
5E is interesting. I have made a character but not played a game. I have no clue what the combat is like. It SEEMS to be like 4E. If it is, then I am not sure I want any part of it.
Having played and run both, I honestly prefer Pathfinder, warts and all. 5E isn't bad by any means, but it just isn't what I, personally, am looking for. What can I say, I like the fiddly bits
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5E is interesting. I have made a character but not played a game. I have no clue what the combat is like. It SEEMS to be like 4E. If it is, then I am not sure I want any part of it.
There is almost no similarities between 5e and 4e combat. Some ideas from 4e were repurposed and repackaged. Same with 3e and 2e. 5e pulls from all previous DND iterations.
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Quite happy with PF.
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Voted for PF...you don't have to sign in to vote right?
5th ed is a okay system...but I prefer to play and run PF I just feel like I have a whole lot more freedom.
RPG Superstar 2015 Top 32, RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32
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5E is interesting. I have made a character but not played a game. I have no clue what the combat is like. It SEEMS to be like 4E. If it is, then I am not sure I want any part of it.
Not even close.
5E combat is quick, clean, and fun. In my Thursday group, we've sometimes run as many as four combats in a single 3hr session, still leaving plenty of time for roleplay and exploration, without ever touching a battle grid.