Could be a stupid question, but I'll ask it anyways....

[Fist2Jaw]

Can I use Bludgeoneer with firearms? Specifically when I shoot with them? Or does it not count because firearms (Or their bullets at least) count as both blunt and piercing? Or because they're range?

[✴Angelica✴]

Seems kosher. No mention of needing a melee weapon.

[Rynjin]

No, because (at least from what I'm reading in the Combat chapter) you can only take a -4 to deal nonlethal damage with a melee weapon, not Ranged ones.

You could make your gun Merciful, though. Or use Salt Shot in a Shotgun.

[Fist2Jaw]

You can take ranged non-lethal attacks with blunt arrows. I'd imagine that Bludgeoner would also with with Blunt Arrows as well.

[Rynjin]

That would work, yes.

If you have a method that allows you to do nonlethal damage, Bludgeoner eliminates the -4 penalty.

But Bludgeoner does not allow you to deal nonlethal damage with a weapon that normally can't.

[blackbloodtroll]

Salt Shot?

[Durngrun Stonebreaker]

Salt shot

[blackbloodtroll]

Virtuous Creed(Mercy) would allow for nonlethal Firearm damage as well.

Not PFS legal though(which seems silly).

[LazarX]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

Virtuous Creed(Mercy) would allow for nonlethal Firearm damage as well.

Not PFS legal though(which seems silly).

Not really, the PFS model for Golarion is one where guns are at a level of rarity that they're not generally seen outside of gunslingers. The gun archetypes for Paladins aren't legal, so there isn't any point in opening up the feat.

[Victor Von Fausten]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

Virtuous Creed(Mercy) would allow for nonlethal Firearm damage as well.

Not PFS legal though(which seems silly).

House rules. As a DM I'd allow it. Each to their own, I guess. Oh, by the way, yes salt shot. It's an old farmer trick. I grew up on a farm in Indiana. Salt shot, (sinister laugh)

[blackbloodtroll]

Virtuous Creed is a feat, and is not firearm specific.

[Jeff Merola]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

Virtuous Creed(Mercy) would allow for nonlethal Firearm damage as well.

Not PFS legal though(which seems silly).

It wouldn't. Virtuous Creed (Mercy) just removes the penalty, same as Bludgeoner. It doesn't allow you to use an option you can't normally choose.

[FLite]

Off topic: Virtuous Creed and PFS:

PFS does not like anything where a GM has to judge if you are playing your character properly in order to determine whether you get the benefit of something, and virtous creed is basically a GM judgement call nightmare. They already have far to many paladin falls threads, this would basically add the same again.

Salt shot can only be used with blunderbus or dragon piston, and only for scatter shot.

[Victor Von Fausten]

If you want something non-lethal for firearms, how about rubber bullets? Some new world flora is already common in the pathfinder world, halfling pipe-weed is after all simply tobacco, so why not rubber trees. Vulcanization with sulfur is certainly possible to accomplish in the pathfinder world tech setting. Alchemist is a favored class option for the vanaras. I could easily see them developing such a thing given their living in warm forests and jungles.