[Pathfinder Unchained] Major Magic and Bookish Rogue


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The rewrite to Major Magic is a little bit vague. Currently, its written thusly:

Major Magic wrote:
A rogue with this talent gains the ability to cast a 1st-level spell from the sorcerer/wizard spell list once per day as a spell-like ability for every 2 rogue levels she possesses. The rogue's caster level for this ability is equal to her rogue level. The save DC for the spell is equal to 11 + the rogue's Intelligence modifier. A rogue must have the minor magic rogue talent and an Intelligence score of at least 11 to select this talent.

Question #1 — When it says, "a 1st-level spell for every 2 levels she possesses," is this trying to say that you pick one spell and cast it multiple times, or do you get a spell-like ability from the sorcerer/wizard list for every 2 rogue levels you possess? Effectively, as a 6th level rogue do I have A) vanish 3/day or B) vanish 1/day, shield 1/day, and protection from evil 1/day? If B) is true, can I pick the same spell-like ability more than once?

Question #2 — How does the new Major Magic rogue talent work with Bookish Rogue?

Bookish Rogue wrote:


Prerequisite(s): Minor magic rogue talent.

Benefit: By studying a spellbook for 10 minutes, you can change one spell you are able to cast using your minor magic or major magic rogue talent to one sorcerer/wizard spell of the same level contained in the spellbook. This change is permanent until you take the time to change it via this feat again.

Effectively, if 1.A) is true, can I use this talent to repick my spell even after I've already used it once (or more) during the day, thereby making 1.B) true in a roundabout way? If 1.A is true AND I can't swap a spell-like ability after I've used it one or more times during the day, then what's the point of Bookish Rogue anyway?


Alexander Augunas wrote:

The rewrite to Major Magic is a little bit vague. Currently, its written thusly:

Major Magic wrote:
A rogue with this talent gains the ability to cast a 1st-level spell from the sorcerer/wizard spell list once per day as a spell-like ability for every 2 rogue levels she possesses. The rogue's caster level for this ability is equal to her rogue level. The save DC for the spell is equal to 11 + the rogue's Intelligence modifier. A rogue must have the minor magic rogue talent and an Intelligence score of at least 11 to select this talent.

Question #1 — When it says, "a 1st-level spell for every 2 levels she possesses," is this trying to say that you pick one spell and cast it multiple times, or do you get a spell-like ability from the sorcerer/wizard list for every 2 rogue levels you possess? Effectively, as a 6th level rogue do I have A) vanish 3/day or B) vanish 1/day, shield 1/day, and protection from evil 1/day? If B) is true, can I pick the same spell-like ability more than once?

Question #2 — How does the new Major Magic rogue talent work with Bookish Rogue?

Bookish Rogue wrote:


Prerequisite(s): Minor magic rogue talent.

Benefit: By studying a spellbook for 10 minutes, you can change one spell you are able to cast using your minor magic or major magic rogue talent to one sorcerer/wizard spell of the same level contained in the spellbook. This change is permanent until you take the time to change it via this feat again.

Effectively, if 1.A) is true, can I use this talent to repick my spell even after I've already used it once (or more) during the day, thereby making 1.B) true in a roundabout way? If 1.A is true AND I can't swap a spell-like ability after I've used it one or more times during the day, then what's the point of Bookish Rogue anyway?

This is probably better as a rule's question. That saidthe way I read this is that major magic gives you a single 1st level spell SLA which you can use 1/day for every two levels. The existence of the Bookish rogue feat suggests that the SLA is a single spell that you must choose when the talent is selected, which makes sense given how the old talent worked. I think the intent here was just to allow the rogue to scale on uses per day.

You are correct though in that Bookish Rogue should let you actually swap the spell around assuming you A) have 10 minutes, and B) have the new spell in a book to study. That wouldn't reset the number of uses/day, though.

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