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So we've recently had a Kingmaker session where a few party members killed the Stag Lord and drove off the rest of the bandits while the other half of the group was away. At any rate, I feel as though they've cut the campaign a bit short and shafted the rest of the group so to speak, as they are only level two. They've basically bypassed the thorn river camp so I figure the other bandits would head off there to regroup and rebuild, while the druid in the basement would use a scroll of reincarnate to resurrect the Stag Lord. I guess what I'm asking is if you have any advice for what the bandits should do when they regroup at the camp, fortification tactics or even articles I could use to get ideas about a little guerrilla war that I could run as I think I've been giving them too easy a time.


How many of your 2nd-level party members actually killed the 6th-level Stag Lord and drive off the rest, including the 3 4th-level lieutenants?


Chuckbab wrote:
How many of your 2nd-level party members actually killed the 6th-level Stag Lord and drive off the rest, including the 3 4th-level lieutenants?

Three with some subterfuge, but it was mostly my fault as Akiros held off most of the bandits and the rouge while the party killed the stag lord and Aux


Would Nugrah really reincarnate the Stag Lord, though, given how much they hate one another?

You could consider a new balance of power, with Nugrah or Dovan taking charge, thus explaining the switch to new tactics. Or if they do bring back the Stag Lord, he could be reduced to a subserviant role, another reversal in the relationship between the Stag Lord and his father.

If you want to have Nugrah fighting the PCs in the open, note that he has the Natural Spell feat. So he can wild shape into an eagle, fly over the party, and drop Call Lightning on them. Very fitting for a druid of Gozreh, and it gives you the airstrike part of the Vietnam War vibe. (As a variant on that idea, I may as well toss out a link to my forest fire encounter. There's no kill like overkill!)

Another somewhat more out-there idea: Nugrah's backstory includes him having used black magic and human sacrifice to try to resurrect his dead wife (presumably before he got access to Reincarnate?). It's not normal druid magic by any means, but perhaps by drawing on the evil aura of the monastery, he could use black magic to raise the Stag Lord as an undead slave. The Stag Lord would work well as a skeleton, given his deer skull helmet. He could even lead the zombies from the haunted hillside to rise up and attack Oleg's; it shouldn't come as too much of a surprise if the players encountered the zombies before.


Yeah, druid supporting undead bandits sounds like a winner. They could fade into the forest to raid some more. This could be a time/place to introduce Drelev or the people who live in Nivatka's Crossing, if the bandits try to raid there once or twice.

They could take the ruins of Candlemere as their new base, or the King's fort on the highway.


Having the druid reincarnate the stag lord seems like an awful 'gotcha' attempt at removing player agency.

I think you should just run with it instead of stealing limelight. There's nothing wrong with transitioning to book 2 early.

Vivi's ideas are also really good.


Ah, yes, I had forgotten about this thread due to the accidental double post (http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s7hy?Kingmaker-Stolen-Lands-help). I'm still open to suggestions but as Blakmane said it would be more of a punishment to reincarnate the Stag Lord so I'm so far using what you guys said minus the Stag Lord. Just looking at the forest fire encounter though I know I'm going to use this to goad the party back to Oleg's as they've been away the entire time (sleep is for the weak!). Other than that it'll be Nugrah + Kressle + Bandits in a guerrilla war as the lieutenants are all taken care of (RIP Dovan).

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Vivificient wrote:

Would Nugrah really reincarnate the Stag Lord, though, given how much they hate one another?

With the kind of history of abuse they have? Yes, probably he would. Call it beaten wife syndrome or Stockholm syndrome, I see it as the kind of unhealthy relation where both partners would go to great lengths to keep the other partner alive or return him from the dead.

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