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Eyup.
Legal yes... but that +1 AC isn't going to get you very far compared to a simple mage armor spell.
Thanks, just wondering.
IIRC, things get weird if you try to combine +1 haramaki armor with bracers of armor with special abilities on it
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A sorcerer can wear full plate if he wants. It will have an effect on his ability to complete missions.
A haramaki doesn't have any spell failure chance or armour check penalty and none of the sorcerer's basic class abilities fail if he wears light armour, so he can wear it without consequences.
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A +1 haramaki (or Silken Ceremonial Armor) is cheaper (by lots) than bracers and eventually you get up to something like +3 haramaki an folks don't have to worry about being caught out without mage armor or a dispel magic being left out.
My wizard (admixture 12/PF Agent 1) has +3 Glamered Silken Armor to do just that. Mage Armor (and bullet shield, and the rest) are good.. but sometimes you have to have something in reserve.
And beside.. Glamored means she's never out of costume. :D
A +1 haramaki (or Silken Ceremonial Armor) is cheaper (by lots) than bracers and eventually you get up to something like +3 haramaki an folks don't have to worry about being caught out without mage armor or a dispel magic being left out.
My wizard (admixture 12/PF Agent 1) has +3 Glamered Silken Armor to do just that. Mage Armor (and bullet shield, and the rest) are good.. but sometimes you have to have something in reserve.
And beside.. Glamored means she's never out of costume. :D
Stole the words right from my head.
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Perfectly legal, though Silken Ceremonial Armor LOOKS more arcane casty armor.
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Perfectly legal, though Silken Ceremonial Armor LOOKS more arcane casty armor.
I always picture the haramaki as looking like a WWE title belt. My witch has silken ceremonial storing armor with bestow curse in it. Nothing ruins a 'grapple the caster moment' than a 50% chance to take no action.
Aside I know the haramaki can be made of adamantine, can the silken armor?
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Perfectly legal, though Silken Ceremonial Armor LOOKS more arcane casty armor.I always picture the haramaki as looking like a WWE title belt. My witch has silken ceremonial storing armor with bestow curse in it. Nothing ruins a 'grapple the caster moment' than a 50% chance to take no action.
Aside I know the haramaki can be made of adamantine, can the silken armor?
I thought to make something Mithral or Adamantine you needed a mostly metal weapon or suit of armor.
As such, no, you can't make adamantine silken ceremonial armor.
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Perfectly legal, though Silken Ceremonial Armor LOOKS more arcane casty armor.I always picture the haramaki as looking like a WWE title belt. My witch has silken ceremonial storing armor with bestow curse in it. Nothing ruins a 'grapple the caster moment' than a 50% chance to take no action.
Aside I know the haramaki can be made of adamantine, can the silken armor?
I thought to make something Mithral or Adamantine you needed a mostly metal weapon or suit of armor.
As such, no, you can't make adamantine silken ceremonial armor.
No.. but a Haramaki is basically a cluster of metal plates sewn into a cummerbund. :D
Of course your Sorcerer is not Proficient in Light Armor, but if you spend a feat or are willing to take the penalties -- why not?
I ran a Herolab creation of an adamantine Haramaki - it allowed it.
Even if your GM rules the Haramaki doesn't qualify for adamantine status (more silk than metal)- the Haramaki can be enchanted with armor special properties. You can have a +1 Deathless/Poison Resistant/Energy resistance Haramaki. That would be a nice thing to have (and only counts as an expensive +2 item). You could keep the Bracers of Armoring or have a Mage Armor spell at the ready when AC becomes a concern.
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I always assumed that about the silken ceremonial armor, just wasn't sure since it's described as consisting "of several layers of cloth and an outer layer of silk intricately woven with gold brocade designs and covered with metal studs."
Basically it costs 10 times as much to not look like a WWE wrestler. ;-)
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That's the point. Armors aren't supposed to be easily available to arcane casters, otherwise bracers lose any value they have left. Of course, I might be wrong, but that's the impression I got a while ago.
You were probably thinking of the armored kilt. While it can be used like a haramaki, it was banned because it can oddly stack with heavy armor. (You could have +2 full plate and +1 light fortification armored kilt for cheaper than +2 light fortification.) There is no downside with heavy armor.
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Ah, never noticed that before.
The Haramaki (or the Ceremonial Armor) could also have enchantments placed on them on top of the +5.
So, I suppose, it would come down to whether the extra +2 AC from Bracers is worth more to your character that +5 worth of enchantments.
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The thing I like about the haramaki is that it can be enchanted...I have seen someone with a Haramaki +1, Light Fortification
My Witch wears a set of +1 Spell Storing Silken Ceremonial Robes, which pairs great with all the nasty debuffs that Witches have.
"Oh, you want to attack ME? Here. Have a curse!"
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The thing I like about the haramaki is that it can be enchanted...I have seen someone with a Haramaki +1, Light FortificationMy Witch wears a set of +1 Spell Storing Silken Ceremonial Robes, which pairs great with all the nasty debuffs that Witches have.
"Oh, you want to attack ME? Here. Have a curse!"
My favorite trick with spell storing haramaki/silken ceremonial armor is to throw a vampiric touch in. Damage for hitting you and you gain temps for the damage to be taken from.
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My favorite trick with spell storing haramaki/silken ceremonial armor is to throw a vampiric touch in. Damage for hitting you and you gain temps for the damage to be taken from.The thing I like about the haramaki is that it can be enchanted...I have seen someone with a Haramaki +1, Light FortificationMy Witch wears a set of +1 Spell Storing Silken Ceremonial Robes, which pairs great with all the nasty debuffs that Witches have.
"Oh, you want to attack ME? Here. Have a curse!"
How do you gain the hp when your armor is casting the spell?
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My favorite trick with spell storing haramaki/silken ceremonial armor is to throw a vampiric touch in. Damage for hitting you and you gain temps for the damage to be taken from.The thing I like about the haramaki is that it can be enchanted...I have seen someone with a Haramaki +1, Light FortificationMy Witch wears a set of +1 Spell Storing Silken Ceremonial Robes, which pairs great with all the nasty debuffs that Witches have.
"Oh, you want to attack ME? Here. Have a curse!"
Like I said upthread, bestow curse is my go to for choice. sure vampiric touch will hurt, and bestow curse is an all or nothing, but 50% chance to take no action in a turn is a godsend for being grappled. Every round you've a flat 50% chance to get out of the grapple for free, since it's a standard to maintain a grapple. :-)
Between that and being able to hex while grappled...
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Ah, never noticed that before.
The Haramaki (or the Ceremonial Armor) could also have enchantments placed on them on top of the +5.
So, I suppose, it would come down to whether the extra +2 AC from Bracers is worth more to your character that +5 worth of enchantments.
The other advantage of the Haramaki is that, unlike the bracers, you can add the flat rate special abilities. Many of these are really useful for arcane full-casters.
- Burdenless is nice for arcane full-casters who often have low STR.
- Restful gives you more awake time for researching spells, crafting, etc. and doesn't use up a ring slot like a Ring of Sustenance does.
- Amorphous really helps when someone tries to shut you down with a grapple.
- Hosteling gives you a place to store your familiar.
Of course, there are many other good options: Energy Resistance, Shadow, Expeditious, etc.
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That's the point. Armors aren't supposed to be easily available to arcane casters, otherwise bracers lose any value they have left. Of course, I might be wrong, but that's the impression I got a while ago.You were probably thinking of the armored kilt. While it can be used like a haramaki, it was banned because it can oddly stack with heavy armor. (You could have +2 full plate and +1 light fortification armored kilt for cheaper than +2 light fortification.) There is no downside with heavy armor.
That was it. Armored kilt. I knew I had something deeply hidden in my memory.
That's the point. Armors aren't supposed to be easily available to arcane casters, otherwise bracers lose any value they have left. Of course, I might be wrong, but that's the impression I got a while ago.
Armors have always been available to casters, since 3x anyway, its just that armor has disadvantages to casters due to spell failure. But if you're willing to risk spell failure, there is no rule that says a sorcerer cannot wear full plate armor - they just will fail a lot in combat. In previous editions of D&D it might have been so, that casters cannot wear armor. What was canon then, has not been canon for a long time.
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That's the point. Armors aren't supposed to be easily available to arcane casters, otherwise bracers lose any value they have left. Of course, I might be wrong, but that's the impression I got a while ago.Armors have always been available to casters, since 3x anyway, its just that armor has disadvantages to casters due to spell failure. But if you're willing to risk spell failure, there is no rule that says a sorcerer cannot wear full plate armor - they just will fail a lot in combat. In previous editions of D&D it might have been so, that casters cannot wear armor. What was canon then, has not been canon for a long time.
You missed my point. I am aware that anyone can wear armor, but armors should have 5% arcane failure at the very least. And I am not talking about mithral, magical or any other non-mundane armor. I am talking about 3 gp haramaki.
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I see. I have no preconceptions of required spell failure chances for any piece of equipment, but I can see how you might with such a required addition to your home rules. No such thing as mithral in my games - if it ain't metal you can pull out of our modern day Earth, it doesn't exist. Heck in my published Kaidan setting of Japanese horror (PFRPG), its like real Japan, metal is crap there, so the available metal in that setting is crap too.
IIRC, things get weird if you try to combine +1 haramaki armor with bracers of armor with special abilities on it
Nope. Bracers have weird interactions with other things that provide armor bonuses. One of them gets totally shut off.
IIRC, things get weird if you try to combine +1 haramaki armor with bracers of armor with special abilities on itNope. Bracers have weird interactions with other things that provide armor bonuses. One of them gets totally shut off.
The interactions aren't that weird, and only the bracers have the 'shut off' clause.
The armor bonus from Bracers do not stack with the armor bonus from Haramaki armor. Just the same as the armor bonus from Mage Armor spell not stacking with regular armor.
You could get +1 Haramaki Shadow armor and still benefit from the Shadow property while wearing bracers at the same time.
There are some restrictions on the Bracers of Armor. You can not do flat cost enhancements (such as Shadow or Slick) and if you wear something else that gives a better armor bonus the Bracers completely shut off. Note that this is a restriction on the Bracers, not the Haramaki armor.
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In many places, while it is legal to wear Haramaki Armor, it is considered illegal to only wear Haramaki armor due to indecency laws. This applies to sorcerers just like it does every one else.
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In many places, while it is legal to wear Haramaki Armor, it is considered illegal to only wear Haramaki armor due to indecency laws. This applies to sorcerers just like it does every one else.
It's posts like this that make me wish there was a "not funny" button..
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@game-printer
What kind of published Kaidan setting of Japanese horror? I am suddenly highly interested :O
The campaign guide books are still works-in-progress following a KS to fund it, but there currently exists a trilogy of introductory modules (5th to 7th level), 3 one-shot modules, 3 racial guides (kappa, henge, tengu), 2 class/faction guides (yakuza and samurai), and a haunts guide.
Endzeitgeist has given rave reviews on the Kaidan products, and other reviewers consider Kaidan as a very esoteric setting and in their opinions the best PF setting in existence (I can't disagree, but then I am biased.) I, as concept creator, developer, and share copyright with the publisher, am half Japanese and have always had misgivings on concepts and inclusions (mistakes) in Kara-Tur, Oriental Adventures, and Rokugan, so I've been eager to create a more authentic Japan analog. Plus I'm not really a fan of Wuxia style Asian games, nor anime, rather more interested in the older Japanese ghost story tradition, and it is from that that Kaidan has been based upon.
Here's the Paizo store page with all Kaidan products. Note, however, a couple Kaidan products are in other categories (for some reason, I don't understand):
Way of the Samurai (PFRPG)
#30 Haunts for Kaidan
I am hopeful for a summer or early fall release of the players and GMs campaign guide books. For now the appendices in the introductory trilogy have the most important Kaidan setting rules - that which makes this setting very different from many others.
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There are some restrictions on the Bracers of Armor. You can not do flat cost enhancements (such as Shadow or Slick) and if you wear something else that gives a better armor bonus the Bracers completely shut off. Note that this is a restriction on the Bracers, not the Haramaki armor.
If a creature receives a larger armor bonus from another source, the bracers of armor cease functioning and do not grant their armor bonus or their armor special abilities. If the bracers of armor grant a larger armor bonus, the other source of armor ceases functioning.
Which seems to indicate that you can't stack the armor OR special abilities of bracers and armor, at all.
My favorite trick with spell storing haramaki/silken ceremonial armor is to throw a vampiric touch in. Damage for hitting you and you gain temps for the damage to be taken from.The thing I like about the haramaki is that it can be enchanted...I have seen someone with a Haramaki +1, Light FortificationMy Witch wears a set of +1 Spell Storing Silken Ceremonial Robes, which pairs great with all the nasty debuffs that Witches have.
"Oh, you want to attack ME? Here. Have a curse!"
I prefer Frigid Touch. "Oh you want to full attack me? Enjoy becoming Staggered after your first hit and losing that ability."
If a creature receives a larger armor bonus from another source, the bracers of armor cease functioning and do not grant their armor bonus or their armor special abilities. If the bracers of armor grant a larger armor bonus, the other source of armor ceases functioning.Which seems to indicate that you can't stack the armor OR special abilities of bracers and armor, at all.
Alright, that is strange.
I should have read it more carefully, I had missed some of that. It isn't merely that the bonuses don't stack, there is something else going on here. Although the second part isn't worded exactly the same, it probably does mean all functions of the armor cease.
What is really strange is the way it is worded if the armor bonus is the exact same, both function normally. By the strict reading you could mix +3 Heavy Fortification Haramaki (total +4 Armor bonus) with +4 Bracers that also have other armor enchantments.