How much does a darkwoord durable arrow cost? How much for a quiver of 20?
The pricing for darkwood doesn't really say what to do for things that weigh less than a pound.
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Says 10gp per pound. Arrows weigh 3 lb for 20.
Darkwood: This rare magic wood is as hard as normal wood but very light. Any wooden or mostly wooden item (such as a bow or spear) made from darkwood is considered a masterwork item and weighs only half as much as a normal wooden item of that type. Items not normally made of wood or only partially of wood (such as a battleaxe or a mace) either cannot be made from darkwood or do not gain any special benefit from being made of darkwood. The armor check penalty of a darkwood shield is lessened by 2 compared to an ordinary shield of its type. To determine the price of a darkwood item, use the original weight but add 10 gp per pound to the price of a masterwork version of that item.
Darkwood has 10 hit points per inch of thickness and hardness 5.
My math says
1g for 20
120g for 20 (6g per arrow for materwork)
30g for darkwood
151g for 20.
I don't know what 'durable' means.
Durable means it doesn't break with it hits. Mundane durable arrows usually cost 1gp rather than 5cp.
Multiply by 20, total of 3,020 gp for a quiver of 20. Done.
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Durable means it doesn't break with it hits. Mundane durable arrows usually cost 1gp rather than 5cp.
Hmm, where can I find that?
Based on that it is
20g for 20 durable arrows
120g for 20 masterwork ones
30g for the 20 to be darkwood
170g for 20 darkwood durable arrows or
170g/20 for one. 8.5g
Am I missing something?
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Didn't the FAQ of Mithral weapons, and the cost of weapons with a weight of -, get ruled be priced as if they were 0.5 pounds?
Yeah, this FAQ.
So, apply this same logic when pricing anything else based off weight.
That logic doesn't apply though in this case since arrows do in fact have non-negligible weight.
Durable arrows don't have negligible weight. They use the same weight as normal arrows.
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From the Alchemy Manual:
DURABLE ARROW:
PRICE: 1 GP WEIGHT: —
These arrows are tightly wrapped in strands of alchemical glue. Durable arrows don’t break with normal use, whether or not they hit their target; unless a durable arrow goes missing, an archer can retrieve and reuse it again and again. Durable arrows can be broken in other ways (such as deliberate snapping, hitting a fire elemental, and so on). A magical durable arrow with an enhancement bonus or magic weapon special ability applies these magical effects only the first time it is used—afterward, the durable arrow becomes nonmagical, and it can be reused or imbued with magic again.
ALCHEMICAL RECIPE
Recipe (1 cold iron + 1 myrrh)/exposure; Craft DC 25
Time 1 hour; Tools —; Type alchemical weapon
I don't think that FAQ applies in this particular instances; it only mentions melee weapons that never have a listed weight, not ammunition that does. The weight listing for Durable Arrows says what it does because Pathfinder doesn't usually track fractions of a pound, but it is logical to believe that 20 Durable Arrows would weigh 3 lbs., resulting in a final price of 170gp for 20 Durable Arrows made of Darkwood, which would weigh 1.5 lbs. in your equipment.
Reading it BBT's way comes out to 250gp, so at a certain point it isn't even worth arguing about. Lightweight re-usable arrows aren't going to break anything in terms of balance. Many tables have arrows be recoverable even without the expense.
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In that section of the Alchemy Manual, you have this prior to the Alchemical Arrow section, in which the Durable Arrow is described:
ALCHEMICAL ARROWS
What follows is a sampling of alchemical arrows designed by the elves of Kyonin. Unless otherwise stated, these alchemical arrows are only effective for one shot, regardless of whether the shot hits its target. Though elven alchemists created these formulae, any alchemist can use them. The listed costs are for one non-masterwork alchemical arrow; a masterwork version costs 6 gp more than the listed price.
Unless otherwise noted, 20 arrows weigh 3 pounds.
The original rules for alchemical archery appeared in Pathfinder Player Companion: Elves of Golarion. This section expands upon those rules and updates them for the Pathfinder RPG.
So, does the specific weight listed for the Durable Arrow win out?
I do not see how "—" for 1 arrow contradicts "3 lbs." for 20 arrows. It doesn't seem sufficient to qualify as "otherwise noted".
How much does a darkwoord durable arrow cost? How much for a quiver of 20?
The pricing for darkwood doesn't really say what to do for things that weigh less than a pound.
It does, in a way. And yes, we're using the common sense check here.
1. We know that a mundane arrow is 3 lb. for 20, or 15 lb. for 100.
2. A durable arrow costs 1 gold each.
3. Masterwork costs 300 per 50, or 600 for 100.
Thus, our set of 100 mwk darkwood durable arrows will cost:
600 (mwk) + 150 (darkwood by weight) + 100 (durable arrows) = 850.
Your quiverload costs 170 gold and weighs 1.5 lb.
I'm not going with the argument that durable arrows are negligible (and thus suddenly three times as heavy as they are for purposes other than carrying them) when they're simply regular arrows treated with alchemical glue, and regular arrows have a known weight.
Says 10gp per pound. Arrows weigh 3 lb for 20.Darkwood: This rare magic wood is as hard as normal wood but very light. Any wooden or mostly wooden item (such as a bow or spear) made from darkwood is considered a masterwork item and weighs only half as much as a normal wooden item of that type. Items not normally made of wood or only partially of wood (such as a battleaxe or a mace) either cannot be made from darkwood or do not gain any special benefit from being made of darkwood. The armor check penalty of a darkwood shield is lessened by 2 compared to an ordinary shield of its type. To determine the price of a darkwood item, use the original weight but add 10 gp per pound to the price of a masterwork version of that item.
Darkwood has 10 hit points per inch of thickness and hardness 5.
My math says
1g for 20
120g for 20 (6g per arrow for materwork)
30g for darkwood151g for 20.
I don't know what 'durable' means.
Doesn't this imply that the item is masterwork without having to pay for masterwork? It just is because: darkwood.
@Seppuku
If you read three sentences further, you'll see that it says you do pay for the masterwork, plus 10gp per pound on top.
If one Durable Arrow has negligible weight, why would you want to make it out of Darkwood?
I see no benefit.
Because "Unless otherwise noted, 20 arrows weigh 3 pounds." If you want to make more than 1 single bow attack, you're going to need multiple arrow and multiple arrow have a non-negligible weight.
If one Durable Arrow has negligible weight, why would you want to make it out of Darkwood?
I see no benefit.
Obviously, I'm operating under the assumption that it does NOT have negligible weight, but that it was merely omitted because it's a modification to normal arrows rather than being a distinctly new item.