Chronicles of the Divine

[The Shifty Mongoose]

BotBrain wrote:

The Shifty Mongoose wrote:

My first reaction to this: Wow, after all that research, I'm impressed!

Second Thoughts: I'd still like to see a statblock for Ghenschau. Ah well, omitting ol' Breezes-Still-and-Ripples-Cease does help simplify things a bit, which is a part of his faith.

Third Thoughts: I would like to see Edicts/Anathema for the Peacock Spirit, even though printing it would count as blasphemy.
Since it's most likely a dead faith at this point, I'm guessing it'd be ** spoiler omitted **

To be fair, Edicts and Anethema can exist outside of the world so I don't think it's nessercarily blasphmeny.

I meant that, in-setting, Spiriters wouldn't have wanted information about their mystery cult to be publicly available; and that, out-of-setting, a fully-accurate explanation would be an AP Spoiler for PF1e.

[scary harpy]

Ravithra The Chalice-Bearer

Make decisions erratically or randomly,
provide aid to Vasaghati or her followers,
engage in treachery

Vasaghati is not included...outside of this mention.

[Feylin]

can we have neshen's anathema it reposted his edicts in the chart.

[Elfteiroh]

Feylin wrote:

can we have neshen's anathema it reposted his edicts in the chart.

Luis posted it in the product page for the full book.

Luis Loza wrote:

Thanks for catching this! The proper anathema should read "stop taking care of yourself, wallow in self-pity, refuse to right past wrongs."

[Cori Marie]

scary harpy wrote:

Ravithra The Chalice-Bearer

Make decisions erratically or randomly,
provide aid to Vasaghati or her followers,
engage in treachery

Vasaghati is not included...outside of this mention.

Thats because its a Vudran deity that hasn't actually been statted up yet.

[Xenocrat]

Yes, no gods are "missing" from this list unless they've previously received second edition deity stat blocks. A simple mention, even if it's extensive in a lore article, or a PF1 stat block, is not enough to earn a spot here. This is just updates/partial consolidation of existing god stat blocks.

[PossibleCabbage]

There are assuredly more gods who are going to get, say, write-ups in the back matter of adventure paths.

One of the purposes of Divine Mysteries, and the absolute purpose of the web supplement is "if you are already playing a character who is a cleric/champion of [deity], you now have the remastered rules for that deity."

Nobody is playing a Cleric of a deity that exists, but we have no write-up of them, unless it's homebrew, and then you can just homebrew more.

[scary harpy]

The Forsaken initially planned to use the power of their worshippers' souls to escape the Netherworld, but before they could do so, they disappeared in an enigmatic calamity.

If the Forsaken disappeared like the Osirian and Hag deities, why are they not listed in In Memoriam (Other dead, missing, or unaccounted for gods)?

Where can I learn more about the Green Man Faiths? They look interesting. Thanks.

[scary harpy]

Cori Marie wrote:

scary harpy wrote:

Ravithra The Chalice-Bearer

Make decisions erratically or randomly,
provide aid to Vasaghati or her followers,
engage in treachery

Vasaghati is not included...outside of this mention.

Thats because its a Vudran deity that hasn't actually been statted up yet.

um...What do you mean by 'statted up'?

Vasaghati is a grim goddess of the Vudran pantheon interested in bring corruption and destruction to the world, especially organizations.1

Organizations
Knife in the Dark
A secret cult strong in Vudra dedicated to infiltrating organizations to sow corruption and ultimately destruction.1

Vasaghati
(Deity)
Titles
The Betrayer;
the Decay from Within;
the Knife in the Dark;
the Lady of Knives;
the Poisoned Chalice
Alignment
Evil
Areas of Concern
Corruption, Destruction
Worshipers
Secret cultists
Symbol
Circle: inner circumference lined with triangles

[Perses13]

Having an infobox on the Pathfinder wiki doesn't mean statted up. All of that info is from a novel. And none of it helps you make a cleric or other character who worships the deity and gains mechanical benefits from that.

[Arcaian]

scary harpy wrote:

The Forsaken initially planned to use the power of their worshippers' souls to escape the Netherworld, but before they could do so, they disappeared in an enigmatic calamity.

If the Forsaken disappeared like the Osirian and Hag deities, why are they not listed in In Memoriam (Other dead, missing, or unaccounted for gods)?

Where can I learn more about the Green Man Faiths? They look interesting. Thanks.

The recently-released Wardens of Wildwood book 2 has a 6-page section on the Green Man Faiths! :)

[Luis Loza]

scary harpy wrote:

If the Forsaken disappeared like the Osirian and Hag deities, why are they not listed in In Memoriam (Other dead, missing, or unaccounted for gods)?

This is due to the fact that they are still granting divine power, though in a very limited sense. If you check out the entry for owbs in Bestiary 3, we have stats for the owb prophet, a creature that gains a fragment of divine power from the Forsaken. How and why this happens is yet to be explained, but it's technically possible. The nature of the Forsaken is also such that a PC receiving power from them would be exceptionally rare, but not impossible (i.e. talk to your GM before worshipping them!). The entries in the In Memoriam section are for deities who can't grant power to PCs currently, whether it's because they're dead or some other, unknown reason. Of course, you're free to adjust that for your home game.

[Eldritch Yodel]

scary harpy wrote:

Cori Marie wrote:

scary harpy wrote:

Ravithra The Chalice-Bearer

Make decisions erratically or randomly,
provide aid to Vasaghati or her followers,
engage in treachery

Vasaghati is not included...outside of this mention.

Thats because its a Vudran deity that hasn't actually been statted up yet.

um...What do you mean by 'statted up'?

Vasaghati is a grim goddess of the Vudran pantheon interested in bring corruption and destruction to the world, especially organizations.1

Organizations
Knife in the Dark
A secret cult strong in Vudra dedicated to infiltrating organizations to sow corruption and ultimately destruction.

They haven't been statted up in 2e. They have no edicts, anathema, domains, or anything of the sorts. We have lore on them, sure, but the check for deities missing from here is purely for stuff which are in 2e already (this is in large part a "Here's the stats updated for the remaster"). There is a massive host of various deities and demigods who exist but haven't had stats in PF2 yet and thus didn't get included. Admittedly, this also does go and include a bunch of "bonus" deities, but they're fun extras. It would be absurd to expect every single deity who have had stuff written about them get done for this document.

[Elfteiroh]

To put things into perspective, here I'll be reposting an earlier post I made calculating some "stats" abut PF1 -> PF2 -> PF2 Divine Mysteries.
NOTE: I had ONE deity with a typo, which shifted a couple numbers by 1, when I posted the original post. I have applied "errata" here to change to the correct numbers.

But, important numbers for this context:
With Divine Mysteries and the web supplement, there have been 100 more PF1 deities that got converted to PF2 from the 463 that had been published! And 56 completely new deities that had never been published before!

And there's still 183 deities from PF1 missing in PF2 remaster, but these have NEVER been converted before, and it's a big number. And some of them are "locked" behind because of the OGL. Each one will need more time to come, if they do. It might only look like "one line in a table", but it needs a lot of work to manage to do all necesarry research (checking it's OGL, the deity still fit in today's setting, appropriate spells, getting a good feel of the deity by reviewing the existing lore, etc)

Elfteiroh wrote:

So, I created a spread sheet with all PF1 deities, all PF2 deities, and all deities in this web supplement (That one I had to manually type all these 384 names!). And I calculated some fun stats:

365 living deities. (Lissala is there twice, and Nyarlathotep is there 4 times! Ignored in this count, so +4 if we count the duplicates)
19 missing/dead ones
Total of 384, 388 if we count the duplicates.
Almost back to PF1's count of 463!

Other fun numbers:

Pre war: (Anything released for PF2 before War of Immortals)
New to PF2: 51;
Converted from PF1: 185;
PF1 deities non-converted: 278;

Post war: (Everything in this web supplement)
New to PF2: 104;
Post War deities that were NOT in PF2 before: 156;
Dead/Missing: 19 (some were long dead/missing);
Converted from PF1: 280;
Newly converted from PF1 (not in PF2 previously): 100;
PF1 deities still non-converted: 183;
Lost, probably because of OGL: 5

If anyone is curious, here is the spreadsheet I made in view mode. If you have any comment (about errors or stuff), I'll try to keep tab here, or you could sent me a private message.

[Tea4Goblins]

Cyrad wrote:

Oh heck yes!

And it looks like Rokoga Gin (from a side bar in War of Immortals) became a god afterall!

What page? I can't seem to find it.

[The Raven Black]

Tea4Goblins wrote:

Cyrad wrote:

Oh heck yes!

And it looks like Rokoga Gin (from a side bar in War of Immortals) became a god afterall!

What page? I can't seem to find it.

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[Perpdepog]

Small thing I just noticed that I really like, the elven and dwarven pantheons have proper names now, Sovyrian Conclave and Stone's Blood. I am not sure they did in previous materials.

I really, really like this change. Giving them names makes those pantheons feel a lot less checkbox-y, like elves and dwarves are two traditional fantasy peoples, so they need deities, and a lot more like symbols of part of elven and dwarven culture; it makes both elves and dwarves feel less like monocultures, basically.

Also, Stone's Blood goes really hard as a name.

[Terevalis Unctio of House Mysti]

Some of my favorite gods are dead or missing :(

[Patrickthekid]

I was wondering if we will get anything for the Cult of the Child-Goddess in Kaer Maga.

[Gisher]

Luis Loza wrote:

scary harpy wrote:

If the Forsaken disappeared like the Osirian and Hag deities, why are they not listed in In Memoriam (Other dead, missing, or unaccounted for gods)?

This is due to the fact that they are still granting divine power, though in a very limited sense. If you check out the entry for owbs in Bestiary 3, we have stats for the owb prophet, a creature that gains a fragment of divine power from the Forsaken. How and why this happens is yet to be explained, but it's technically possible. The nature of the Forsaken is also such that a PC receiving power from them would be exceptionally rare, but not impossible (i.e. talk to your GM before worshipping them!). The entries in the In Memoriam section are for deities who can't grant power to PCs currently, whether it's because they're dead or some other, unknown reason. Of course, you're free to adjust that for your home game.

Hmm. So Acavna (dead) and Amaznen (missing) weren't on the "In Memoriam" list because their divine power is technically still accessible through the Starstone?

[The Raven Black]

Gisher wrote:

Luis Loza wrote:

scary harpy wrote:

If the Forsaken disappeared like the Osirian and Hag deities, why are they not listed in In Memoriam (Other dead, missing, or unaccounted for gods)?

This is due to the fact that they are still granting divine power, though in a very limited sense. If you check out the entry for owbs in Bestiary 3, we have stats for the owb prophet, a creature that gains a fragment of divine power from the Forsaken. How and why this happens is yet to be explained, but it's technically possible. The nature of the Forsaken is also such that a PC receiving power from them would be exceptionally rare, but not impossible (i.e. talk to your GM before worshipping them!). The entries in the In Memoriam section are for deities who can't grant power to PCs currently, whether it's because they're dead or some other, unknown reason. Of course, you're free to adjust that for your home game.

Hmm. So Acavna (dead) and Amaznen (missing) weren't on the "In Memoriam" list because their divine power is technically still accessible through the Starstone?

More likely IMO because AFAIK they have not been described in PF2 yet.

[Moth Mariner]

Having this Web Supplement linked/embedded on the main Divine Mysteries book page would be very helpful for future enjoyers of the game.
Preferably even added to the download, like the maps are for the World Guides. That way it can be on our digital content page and we can be notified if it gets updates.

[Perpdepog]

Moth Mariner wrote:

Having this Web Supplement linked/embedded on the main Divine Mysteries book page would be very helpful for future enjoyers of the game.

Preferably even added to the download, like the maps are for the World Guides. That way it can be on our digital content page and we can be notified if it gets updates.

Seconded. Having the Divine Mysteries resources together sounds like a great idea. Odds are lots of folks who have purchased the book but who don't keep up to date with the blog would also benefit.