'lo all, I've been reading this rules board for quite some time and have been overall impressed with the clarify of really bizarre questions. Where, here's another bizarre situation that needs some clarification.
I am building a Tengu Alchemist. (yup) Furthermore, it's going to be a Mr.Hyde style build.
Tengu have a racial ability which swaps sword trained with Claw attack. It reads thusly:
Claw Attack Tengus with this racial trait have learned to use their claws as natural weapons. They gain two claw attacks as primary natural attacks that deal 1d3 points of damage, and are treated as having the Improved Unarmed Strike feat for the purpose of qualifying for other feats. This racial trait replaces swordtrained.
I've chosen it, and along with the beak ended up having 2 claw attacks and 1 beak attack (size/dice irrelevant for question.)
Now, Vestigial arms. The campaign I'm joining is level 15, which means that my effective level gives a standard 11/6/1 BAB, I have 3 attacks. Now, natural attacks simply split up my manufactured/unarmed attacks an natural. So I will attack the first round (full attack) and Use all 3 of my natural attacks (again, the build in question's irrelevant for answer).
Which leaves 2 other attacks that I can't really do anything, due to lack of weapons/limbs/arms/etc.
Now, I've done some reading up and found that with understanding of the Multiattack feat and introducing a manufactured weapon, would allow me to attack all 3 times. Lets say I have a dagger (simple example.
11/6/1, First attack I attack with 1 dagger and 1x claw and 1x beak on secondary rules. Second attack I do so again, with the drop from BAB hurting the secondary claw/beak again, and the third sinks it quite low.
This particular build has Feral Mutagen, which, while under the mutagen, gives me 2x claw attacks 1d6 and a bite with 1d8. Since RAW is a thing, it seems like they just overlap, which leaves me with 1d6 x2 and 1d8 and replaces the weaker natural attacks.
Enough preamble, here's the question: If I take Vestigial arms x2, will the Feral Mutagen give the other 2 arms (vestigial arms) the claw attacks, thus allowing me to potentially have 4 claws and a bite all with the primary rolling stats? Could I have 2 claws and a bite, use one arm to suck down a potion (Or pull it out rather, action economy being a thing) and the other to poison a weapon?
Vestigial arms directly state I get no additional actions or attacks, which is simple yet horribly complicated at the same time. Rather, what the discovery's intent and effect to do is to essentially give you more arms to do more things.
Lets say Bob has some sort of Alchemist/Fighter build, and has 4 arms. He has taken feats which allow two weapon fighting, monkey grip, and a lot of other stuff to reduce the penalty (notice no prohibition) to ah, use 2x 2 handed weapons. Or 2 bows. Or 4 swords (BAB triple attack + TWF 1x)and so on.
It seems like Vestigial Arm's purpose is to give you this ability, or rather capacity to do things like that while not giving extra attacks or actions. Two bows (with right feats), 4 bombs (with feats, rapid shot and the like).
Am I understanding these all correct?
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You do not gain additional attacks from the extra limbs.
A much better idea: Get Vestigial Arms twice, and wield a reach weapon. at 10 feet you threaten with the reach weapon, and at 5 feet you threaten with a bite and 2 claw attacks. Add combat reflexes, step-up, and enlarge person to become a walking, feathered, mutated area of denial system.
You do not gain additional attacks from the extra limbs.
A much better idea: Get Vestigial Arms twice, and wield a reach weapon. at 10 feet you threaten with the reach weapon, and at 5 feet you threaten with a bite and 2 claw attacks. Add combat reflexes, step-up, and enlarge person to become a walking, feathered, mutated area of denial system.
This is largely what the build is, albiet it hurts my mind imagining a 4 armed....bird.......with \explodes.
Back tracking to another option here, (Want to more or less explore what Vestigial arm can do RAW) Did I get the 2x bow/2x 2 handed sword, 4 sword with triple BAB/TWF correct?
Combat reflexes is already on the table.
Another possible situation: (Multiattack feat method) Could I use Bite/Claw/Claw (feral mutagen) and the two other hands to wield reach weapons? Additionally, could I attack with beak/claw/claw (feral) and two swords, which assuming I have the proper featage to pull off ok, would just set the natural attacks from primary to secondary?
Edit: You already answered one of my questions, which just leaves leaves one question left.
I have trible BAB. Can I bomb x4 with twf or bomb x5 with twf and rapid bombs/rapid fire (6 bombs)? Is the vestigial arms feat merely to give you the capacity to do these silly things if you already have those actions/attacks?
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You cannot use vestigial arms to gain additional attacks. That means no dual wielding bows, quadruple-wielding swords, or two-weapon-fighting with 2-handed weapons, or getting 4 claw attacks, or 2 claw attacks, two sword attacks and a bite attack.
The use of the reach weapon is that you're using the the limbs to gain an attack at reach, not an extra attack in terms of action economy within 5 feet.
Essentially, at any moment in which your character can attack, your character cannot attack more than as if he simply had two limbs.
No amount of feats changes this fact.
Aaaaah, this makes much more sense now. While it tacks down the power of having two arms quite a bit, it also brings up a lot of interesting ideas with pulling things out and swapping weapons.
Anyway, I think that answers the question. Thanks!