I have a question about Whirlwind Lesson in PFS


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Grand Lodge 4/5

Here's a quote from the oracle of Lore's revelation that I have a question about.

Whirlwind Lesson (Ex): You can quickly browse through a magical tome or manual, gaining its benefits with only a single 8-hour study session (rather than the usual 48 hours over a period of 6 days). At 7th level, you may allow another character to join in your study; both of you gain the full benefit of having read the book. At 15th level, you may share your whirlwind lesson with a number of characters equal to your oracle level. The benefits to you are permanent, whereas your students gain the tome or manual’s benefits for a number of days equal to your Charisma modifier but then forget what they have learned.

I have an Oracle of Lore, and although I'm a ways away from hitting 7th level, I have a habit of planning ahead. I've been scouring the forums as well as the additional resources page, and have not seen anything about this.

Let's say that my oracle of lore literally runs every scenario, 1st through 7th, with another party member. They become comrades, get comfortable working together, etc. If I were to purchase a tome, could I read him a story, granting him the benefits of the tome? I understand that at no point, can we go halfsies on a tome. I know that permanent buffs go away at the end of a scenario...are tomes included in this ruling?

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5 ***

Your ally would only gain the benefit during the scenario that you read the tome or manual in.

Magical effects terminate at the end of a scenario, and there is an indeterminate amount of time between scenarios.

Grand Lodge 4/5

Nefreet wrote:

Your ally would only gain the benefit during the scenario that you read the tome or manual in.

Magical effects terminate at the end of a scenario, and there is an indeterminate amount of time between scenarios.

Understood, its just that my understanding of the revelation is that your ally would get the same benefits that you would from a tome...and it's my further understanding that tome inherent bonuses continue on between scenarios. Hence, my confusion.

5/5 5/55/55/5

It continues between scenarios normally because its permanent- the time between scenarios doesn't matter- not because its a book. But for your friend its NOT permanent, so it doesn't continue over.

Grand Lodge 4/5

BigNorseWolf wrote:

It continues between scenarios normally because its permanent- the time between scenarios doesn't matter. But for your friend its NOT permanent, so it doesn't continue over.

At 7th level, you may allow another character to join in your study; both of you gain the full benefit of having read the book.

In the event that this character makes it to 15th, yes, I can see that if I gave a class on it, it would just be an in-scenario buff. I mean, if it doesn't work, it doesn't work, I completely understand. My gm can see both ends of the argument, and was wondering if anyone knew of an official ruling on this.

Silver Crusade 4/5 5/55/55/5 RPG Superstar 2013 Top 8

Blind Prophet wrote:

The benefits to you are permanent, whereas your students gain the tome or manual’s benefits for a number of days equal to your Charisma modifier but then forget what they have learned.

Yes, both of you gain the full benefits, but as you quoted and I have highlighted, your friend only gets the benefits for a limited amount of time.

5/5 5/55/55/5

In PFS, x number of days= either X number of days or 1 scenario, whatever is shorter.

Grand Lodge 4/5

Michael Eshleman wrote:
Blind Prophet wrote:

The benefits to you are permanent, whereas your students gain the tome or manual’s benefits for a number of days equal to your Charisma modifier but then forget what they have learned.

Yes, both of you gain the full benefits, but as you quoted and I have highlighted, your friend only gets the benefits for a limited amount of time.

The real question here, as far as I can see, is whether the last sentence applies to both the 7th level and 15th level benefits, or just the 15th level benefits, where the "s" in "students" comes into play.

Whirlwind Lesson (Ex) wrote:

You can quickly browse through a magical tome or manual, gaining its benefits with only a single 8-hour study session (rather than the usual 48 hours over a period of 6 days).

At 7th level, you may allow another character to join in your study; both of you gain the full benefit of having read the book.

At 15th level, you may share your whirlwind lesson with a number of characters equal to your oracle level.

The benefits to you are permanent, whereas your students gain the tome or manual's benefits for a number of days equal to your Charisma modifier but then forget what they have learned.

Line 1 is clear.

Line 2 appears to be clear.
Line 3 is clear.
Line 4, however, is not clear if it applies to both lines 2 & 3, or just 3.

Needs clarification.

Sovereign Court

I would say the last line applies to it all, otherwise it would be on the same line as the lvl 15 benefit.

Grand Lodge 4/5

Ellias Aubec wrote:
I would say the last line applies to it all, otherwise it would be on the same line as the lvl 15 benefit.

But shouldn't it say, "The benefits to you are permanent, whereas your student or students gain the tome or manual's benefits for a number of days equal to your Charisma modifier but then forget what they have learned."?

Grand Lodge 4/5

If I'm a teacher who only has one student and you ask me for a list of my students, I'm not going to say "I don't have students, I have a student", I'm going to hand you a list containing one entry.

Grand Lodge 4/5

Of course, there is also the standard form: student(s), when there is an option for one or many.

Scarab Sages 4/5

A 7th level character may use the ability more than once (on different manuals or tomes), thus having students, despite only having one student at a time.

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