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I like that it's tough to be honest. Might not be something new players will enjoy, but group are old hands at this, and a challenge of this type will be great for them.
Plus I think the Bleindheim in the first set of caves is far more dangerous. That blinding gaze can potentially take out an entire party!
I was worried about hardness, then the Android in our party decided (or rather the dice decided) she would only deliver critical hits to robots... every Damn time she hits them :-)
I don't worry so much anymore, especially since the other Android has a weakness for electricity spells :-)
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One of my players plans to play a whip-wielding android, and was worried about hardness and such. I told him not to worry...
Looks like, depending on party composition, I might have to find a workaround. ^_^
Playing as a whip-wielding android myself, I did a lot of tripping. It helped, but we still needed a heavy-hitter to take advantage of the prone baddies.
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My players had very little trouble with the creature. My gun wielding arcane gun/magus put a couple shocking bullets into it, while my warpriest of Brigh used his artifice blessing to ignore hardness and it was down in less than 2 rounds.
I think by level 3 the players should have more than enough resources to take out this robotic menace, but if not as it was said earlier, you can bypass the fight and shut down all of the robots later in the scenario and then go back.
My players had very little trouble with the creature. My gun wielding arcane gun/magus put a couple shocking bullets into it, while my warpriest of Brigh used his artifice blessing to ignore hardness and it was down in less than 2 rounds.
I think by level 3 the players should have more than enough resources to take out this robotic menace, but if not as it was said earlier, you can bypass the fight and shut down all of the robots later in the scenario and then go back.
Umm ... the shocking bullets wouldn't have helped.
Hardness counts as both Electricity Resistance and damage reduction.
Also, I am not familiar with the Arcane Gun magus archetype. I do know the Spellslinger Wizard Archetype, is that what you mean?
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Well it obviously worked for them:-D
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My players had very little trouble with the creature. My gun wielding arcane gun/magus put a couple shocking bullets into it, while my warpriest of Brigh used his artifice blessing to ignore hardness and it was down in less than 2 rounds.
I think by level 3 the players should have more than enough resources to take out this robotic menace, but if not as it was said earlier, you can bypass the fight and shut down all of the robots later in the scenario and then go back.
Umm ... the shocking bullets wouldn't have helped.
Hardness counts as both Electricity Resistance and damage reduction.
The shocking part of the bullet only does a maximum of 9 points of damage. (1d6 x 1.5 for vulerability) and 9 - 10 = no damage gets through.
Now, a Musket could get through Hardness on a high roll (doing 1d12 damage), but even so, he would be blocked by the Hardness 5/6 of the time. Also, I am not familiar with the Arcane Gun magus archetype. I do know the Spellslinger Wizard Archetype, is that what you mean?
Perhaps I ran it wrong but I figured the bullet and the electrical damage would be added together. Throw in some various bonuses like bard buff, point-blank, etc and decent rolls put his hit at 15. The more I know.
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Perhaps I ran it wrong but I figured the bullet and the electrical damage would be added together. Throw in some various bonuses like bard buff, point-blank, etc and decent rolls put his hit at 15. The more I know.My players had very little trouble with the creature. My gun wielding arcane gun/magus put a couple shocking bullets into it, while my warpriest of Brigh used his artifice blessing to ignore hardness and it was down in less than 2 rounds.
I think by level 3 the players should have more than enough resources to take out this robotic menace, but if not as it was said earlier, you can bypass the fight and shut down all of the robots later in the scenario and then go back.
Umm ... the shocking bullets wouldn't have helped.
Hardness counts as both Electricity Resistance and damage reduction.
The shocking part of the bullet only does a maximum of 9 points of damage. (1d6 x 1.5 for vulerability) and 9 - 10 = no damage gets through.
Now, a Musket could get through Hardness on a high roll (doing 1d12 damage), but even so, he would be blocked by the Hardness 5/6 of the time. Also, I am not familiar with the Arcane Gun magus archetype. I do know the Spellslinger Wizard Archetype, is that what you mean?
True. And given that I was criticizing this encounter as overpowered for its CR, I can't fault you.
If the construct has a vulnerability to an energy type you ignore the hardness when dealing with that energy type.
I don't think so, this discussion came up very early, when the first part of the AP was released, as many people were unsure about the rules. Here is a relevant quote from Rob McCreary:
So I have a question regarding the animated dolls in the first dungeon. Do they take energy damage as objects, (1/2 after hardness) or regularly because they're animated?Here's my answer from another thread:
The animated objects are constructs, so they are now creatures, not objects. As creatures, energy damage is not halved against them (in effect, becoming a creature trumps the normal object rules). So they take full damage from energy attacks (150% if they are vulnerable to that energy type), then hardness is applied. However, page 174 of the Core Rulebook states (under "Vulnerability to Certain Attacks") that "Certain attacks are especially successful against some objects.In such cases, attacks deal double their normal damage and my ignore the object's hardness."
Even though the animated objects are no longer "objects," I would still apply this rule about overcoming hardness to them in this adventure (but the 150% creature vulnerability trumps the double damage to an object part of the rule), as hardness can be quite difficult to overcome for low-level PCs. So if the PCs use fire against the warrior dolls, for example, it would deal 150% the normal damage, and ignore the hardness. Other energy damage would deal full damage which would ten be reduced by hardness, the same as for any other attack against it.
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If the construct has a vulnerability to an energy type you ignore the hardness when dealing with that energy type.I don't think so, this discussion came up very early, when the first part of the AP was released, as many people were unsure about the rules. Here is a relevant quote from Rob McCreary:
So I have a question regarding the animated dolls in the first dungeon. Do they take energy damage as objects, (1/2 after hardness) or regularly because they're animated?Here's my answer from another thread:
The animated objects are constructs, so they are now creatures, not objects. As creatures, energy damage is not halved against them (in effect, becoming a creature trumps the normal object rules). So they take full damage from energy attacks (150% if they are vulnerable to that energy type), then hardness is applied. However, page 174 of the Core Rulebook states (under "Vulnerability to Certain Attacks") that "Certain attacks are especially successful against some objects.In such cases, attacks deal double their normal damage and my ignore the object's hardness."
Even though the animated objects are no longer "objects," I would still apply this rule about overcoming hardness to them in this adventure (but the 150% creature vulnerability trumps the double damage to an object part of the rule), as hardness can be quite difficult to overcome for low-level PCs. So if the PCs use fire against the warrior dolls, for example, it would deal 150% the normal damage, and ignore the hardness. Other energy damage would deal full damage which would ten be reduced by hardness, the same as for any other attack against it.
You might want to read what you quoted. It contridicts what you're saying.
You might want to read what you quoted. It contridicts what you're saying.If the construct has a vulnerability to an energy type you ignore the hardness when dealing with that energy type.I don't think so, this discussion came up very early, when the first part of the AP was released, as many people were unsure about the rules. Here is a relevant quote from Rob McCreary:
So I have a question regarding the animated dolls in the first dungeon. Do they take energy damage as objects, (1/2 after hardness) or regularly because they're animated?Here's my answer from another thread:
The animated objects are constructs, so they are now creatures, not objects. As creatures, energy damage is not halved against them (in effect, becoming a creature trumps the normal object rules). So they take full damage from energy attacks (150% if they are vulnerable to that energy type), then hardness is applied. However, page 174 of the Core Rulebook states (under "Vulnerability to Certain Attacks") that "Certain attacks are especially successful against some objects.In such cases, attacks deal double their normal damage and my ignore the object's hardness."
Even though the animated objects are no longer "objects," I would still apply this rule about overcoming hardness to them in this adventure (but the 150% creature vulnerability trumps the double damage to an object part of the rule), as hardness can be quite difficult to overcome for low-level PCs. So if the PCs use fire against the warrior dolls, for example, it would deal 150% the normal damage, and ignore the hardness. Other energy damage would deal full damage which would ten be reduced by hardness, the same as for any other attack against it.
Ah, yes the good old brainfart! First remembering stuff wrongly and not reading quotes... Well either way I think I provided an answer. :P
A well placed crit will wreck it, and so will any PC that can hit pretty decently (most anyone with a 2hander or powerattacking).So Greatswords are now the "default" assumption?
You can also wield your longsword 2 handed , especially if you are facing something with hardiness. That and power attack should be enough to pierce the hardiness 10. Add some electricity and other stuff, and it's a doable encounter
Energy attacks deal half damage to most objects. Divide the damage by 2 before applying the object's hardness. Some energy types might be particularly effective against certain objects, subject to GM discretion. For example, fire might do full damage against parchment, cloth, and other objects that burn easily. Sonic might do full damage against glass and crystal objects
If you don't ignore that piece of text wouldn't it make more sense to assume that hardness doesn't apply at all when dealing electricity?
As James has pointed out, robots are creatures, not objects, and as such, the passge you quoted does not apply.
As James has pointed out, robots are creatures, not objects, and as such, the passge you quoted does not apply.
In that case Hardness does nothing on creatures since
When an object is
damaged, subtract its hardness from the damage. Only
damage in excess of its hardness is deducted from the
object’s hit points