you cannot end you movement in another creatures space. so no, not really.
If combat occurs, you and the mount would be in an illegal position, treated as squeezing until you were able to move. At that point, you would be required to end your move in a legal square (or mount up).
Outside of combat, you're fine. Contrary to popular belief, even in Golarion, people occasionally get closer to each other than five feet during the course of their lives.
If combat occurs, you and the mount would be in an illegal position, treated as squeezing until you were able to move. At that point, you would be required to end your move in a legal square (or mount up).
You could also continue to eat squeezing penalties, I'd say. RAW is weird with that.
Would they both be squeezing? I think if the mount is squeezing into a 5 foot wide space, and gets the combat penalties for not having enough space to move around normally, then that leaves enough room for the paladin to fight without penalty.
Would they both be squeezing? I think if the mount is squeezing into a 5 foot wide space, and gets the combat penalties for not having enough space to move around normally, then that leaves enough room for the paladin to fight without penalty.
This sounds fine, though I think it would require use of the Heel trick (possibly at a higher DC if the area is already one the mount would have trouble entering).
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If combat occurs, you and the mount would be in an illegal position, treated as squeezing until you were able to move. At that point, you would be required to end your move in a legal square (or mount up).You could also continue to eat squeezing penalties, I'd say. RAW is weird with that.
I see too many people citing the squeezing rules to allow two creatures to occupy the same space...but squeezing has nothing to do with that. Squeezing is for one creature to occupy a space smaller than it's size because the space is restricted.
Squeezing rules do not override the rule that a creature cannot end it's movement in the space occupied by another creature (with exceptions for certain sizes of course).
If combat occurs, you and the mount would be in an illegal position, treated as squeezing until you were able to move. At that point, you would be required to end your move in a legal square (or mount up).You could also continue to eat squeezing penalties, I'd say. RAW is weird with that.I see too many people citing the squeezing rules to allow two creatures to occupy the same space...but squeezing has nothing to do with that. Squeezing is for one creature to occupy a space smaller than it's size because the space is restricted.
Squeezing rules do not override the rule that a creature cannot end it's movement in the space occupied by another creature (with exceptions for certain sizes of course).
If you don't allow the horse to stay squeezed, then you run into cases where someone is required to perform a certain action on their turn - even if they haven't made any movement.
Strict RAW, I believe that "cannot end your movement" is the only thing restricting you from sharing spaces above a certain size. If one doesn't make a movement, does that even apply?
If someone finds something that says you can't end your turn - instead of movement - I'll concede RAW. And I'll concede RAI as-is, I just like making my players eat squeezing penalties if they're being idiots ::grins::
If you don't allow the horse to stay squeezed, then you run into cases where someone is required to perform a certain action on their turn - even if they haven't made any movement.
Strict RAW, I believe that "cannot end your movement" is the only thing restricting you from sharing spaces above a certain size. If one doesn't make a movement, does that even apply?
If someone finds something that says you can't end your turn - instead of movement - I'll concede RAW. And I'll concede RAI as-is, I just like making my players eat squeezing penalties if they're being idiots ::grins::
Squeezing: In some cases, you may have to squeeze into or through an area that isn't as wide as the space you take up. You can squeeze through or into a space that is at least half as wide as your normal space. Each move into or through a narrow space counts as if it were 2 squares, and while squeezed in a narrow space, you take a –4 penalty on attack rolls and a –4 penalty to AC.
When a Large creature (which normally takes up 4 squares) squeezes into a space that's 1 square wide, the creature's miniature figure occupies 2 squares, centered on the line between the 2 squares. For a bigger creature, center the creature likewise in the area it squeezes into.
A creature can squeeze past a creature while moving but it can't end its movement in an occupied square.
To squeeze through or into a space less than half your space's width, you must use the Escape Artist skill. You can't attack while using Escape Artist to squeeze through or into a narrow space, you take a –4 penalty to AC, and you lose any Dexterity bonus to AC.
There you go. Horse can squeeze and go past, but can't stop while squeezing.
If you don't allow the horse to stay squeezed, then you run into cases where someone is required to perform a certain action on their turn - even if they haven't made any movement.
Strict RAW, I believe that "cannot end your movement" is the only thing restricting you from sharing spaces above a certain size. If one doesn't make a movement, does that even apply?
If someone finds something that says you can't end your turn - instead of movement - I'll concede RAW. And I'll concede RAI as-is, I just like making my players eat squeezing penalties if they're being idiots ::grins::
There you go. Horse can squeeze and go past, but can't stop while squeezing.Squeezing: In some cases, you may have to squeeze into or through an area that isn't as wide as the space you take up. You can squeeze through or into a space that is at least half as wide as your normal space. Each move into or through a narrow space counts as if it were 2 squares, and while squeezed in a narrow space, you take a –4 penalty on attack rolls and a –4 penalty to AC.
When a Large creature (which normally takes up 4 squares) squeezes into a space that's 1 square wide, the creature's miniature figure occupies 2 squares, centered on the line between the 2 squares. For a bigger creature, center the creature likewise in the area it squeezes into.
A creature can squeeze past a creature while moving but it can't end its movement in an occupied square.
To squeeze through or into a space less than half your space's width, you must use the Escape Artist skill. You can't attack while using Escape Artist to squeeze through or into a narrow space, you take a –4 penalty to AC, and you lose any Dexterity bonus to AC.
That's still "Can't end movement." If combat starts and you're in a 10 foot hallway standing next to your horse, and then don't move, no rule has been broken that I could find.
That said, RAI is pretty clearly against RAW here.