Laser torch, technology guide, weapon finesse


Rules Questions


The laser torch is a one-handed weapon. You can't use your strength modifier on damage rolls with the weapon. It resolves attacks as touch attacks.

Can you use weapon finesse with the laser torch?

Does the agile enchantment function for the laser torch?


Pathfinder Lost Omens Subscriber

i assume you mean slashing grace, and no. the weapon deals fire damage.
you can use weapon finesse normally to apply dex to to-hit rolls fine though.


I didn't mean slashing grace, I meant Agile enchantment. Does it work if you don't get to add str in the first place?

Why do you get to apply weapon finesse to it if it's a one-handed weapon?

Silver Crusade

The Dragon wrote:

The laser torch is a one-handed weapon. You can't use your strength modifier on damage rolls with the weapon. It resolves attacks as touch attacks.

Can you use weapon finesse with the laser torch?

Does the agile enchantment function for the laser torch?

You can put Agile on any weapon(or Amulet of Mighty Fists), and it will substitute Dex damage instead of Str damage. Note that this does not replace Str Attack for Dex Attack.

Since this is One-Handed, Weapon Finesse can't apply.

Since you have no Str damage to substitute... I don't think Dex damage can occur. It really wouldn't make any sense anyways.


The thing is, I think it makes sense to be able to use weapon finesse with a lightsaber, even if it had to be renamed for legal reasons.

It makes sense to me from a viewpoint that doesn't incorporate the lightsaber preconceptions, and just goes with the flavor text that these things cut the same regardless of how much force you put behind it, you should be able to make more use of your dex than your strength in making it hit, since you aren't overpowering your foe's defense, but just tagging him whereever with a beam of fire.

By extension, an enchantment that lets you use your dexterity to strike at the parts of your foe that hurts makes sense, to me at least.

But I think that your position is correct from the logic of the rules.

It just struck me as odd, as it seemed at odds with how a lightsaber/"laser torch" would work in combat.

Scarab Sages

I really don't see the laser torch as a lightsaber, it's a welder, like the one used in the next gen episode Starship Mine.

Silver Crusade

The Dragon wrote:

The thing is, I think it makes sense to be able to use weapon finesse with a lightsaber, even if it had to be renamed for legal reasons.

It makes sense to me from a viewpoint that doesn't incorporate the lightsaber preconceptions, and just goes with the flavor text that these things cut the same regardless of how much force you put behind it, you should be able to make more use of your dex than your strength in making it hit, since you aren't overpowering your foe's defense, but just tagging him whereever with a beam of fire.

By extension, an enchantment that lets you use your dexterity to strike at the parts of your foe that hurts makes sense, to me at least.

But I think that your position is correct from the logic of the rules.

It just struck me as odd, as it seemed at odds with how a lightsaber/"laser torch" would work in combat.

That sounds more like houserules to me. If you're getting it houseruled, then you don't need to be on the Rules section. I'd recommend asking in the Homebrew section.

Weapon Finesse does NOT apply because it is not a Light Weapon. Period.

If it now turns into a Light Saber all of the sudden, then everything makes sense. This is a homebrew though. Anything can make sense in a homebrew.


I think Imbicatus has the right idea here. The laser torch is only effective "cutting and burning through surfaces up to 6 inches away". Here is a video
of a laser torch cutting metal at that distance.

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