Liberty's Blessing vs. Diseases (and the special Mummy Rot)


Rules Questions

Scarab Sages

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Question 1: Can Liberty's Blessing be used to cure diseases before the onset even takes place? Example: Filth Fever. And if they get to make swift actions to make saves and the cure is consecutive saves, then, in that one minute do they have to get 2 saves in a row or just two saves in that minute while the Blessing is in effect?

Question 2: Can the effect of Liberty's Blessing allow a person to "save" from Mummy's Rot within the first minute before the onset of the disease? What about after? Since it is now a combined Curse and Disease?

Items in Question:
Liberty's Blessing:
Liberty’s Blessing (Sp): You touch a willing creature as a standard action, granting it a boon. A creature with this boon can, as a swift action, make a saving throw against a single spell or effect it is suffering from that grants a save. The DC of the saving throw is equal to the original DC of the spell or effect. If the saving throw is successful, the effect ends. This boon lasts for 1 minute or until successfully used to remove a spell or effect, whichever duration is shorter. You can use this ability for a number of times equal to 3 + your Wisdom modifier.

Filth Fever:
Type disease, injury; Save Fortitude DC 12
Onset 1d3 days; Frequency 1/day
Effect 1d3 Dex damage and 1d3 Con damage; Cure 2 consecutive saves

Mummy Rot:
curse and disease—slam; save Fort DC 16; onset 1 minute; frequency 1/day; effect 1d6 Con and 1d6 Cha; cure —.
Mummy rot is both a curse and disease and can only be cured if the curse is first removed, at which point the disease can be magically removed. Even after the curse element of mummy rot is lifted, a creature suffering from it cannot recover naturally over time. Anyone casting a conjuration (healing) spell on the afflicted creature must succeed on a DC 20 caster level check, or the spell is wasted and the healing has no effect. Anyone who dies from mummy rot turns to dust and cannot be raised without a resurrection or greater magic. The save DC is Charisma-based.

Scenario: Running Mummy's Mask, and diseases are pretty common, particularly Mummy Rot at later levels.

I have ruled that if its effect is permanent (like a Bestow curse or Blindness Spell) Liberty's Blessing doesn't work as it no longer has an ongoing effect that you can save from (So one and done).

Diseases, because they have ongoing saves, Liberty's Blessing would seem to work, but for something where you need consecutive saves like Filth Fever or something tricky like Mummy Rot is where I have questions of the interaction of the power and these diseases.


Forget my previous answer.

LB is a short time protection and it can be used anytime you expect dangers. The onset saving throw for a disease is done immediately after you get in contact with a disease source. So yes LB can protect against diseases if you cast it before you are infected.

Disease wrote:
Onset: Some afflictions have a variable amount of time before they set in. Creatures that come in contact with an affliction with an onset time must make a saving throw immediately. Success means that the affliction is avoided and no further saving throws must be made. Failure means that the creature has contracted the affliction and must begin making additional saves after the onset period has elapsed. The affliction's effect does not occur until after the onset period has elapsed and then only if further saving throws are failed.

When you fail the onset save you have a problem and LB cannot help. It has only a 1 minute duration and you have to do a save every X hours or days.

Here we come back to my previus deleted answer. Do your character knows when he has do do a save ? I would say no in the case of diseases.

so you can use LB to avoid being infected but as soon as you are infected it is usesles.

It is a short time buff for a critical situation and not a long time protection against the dangers of the whole wide world.


I can see this going either way for mummy rot.

It does say it ends the affect so I think that would work. The problem as pointed out is knowing that you actually failed the save and have a disease.

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