Price 2,250 gp
CL 9th
Aura moderate transmutation
Upon drinking this elixir, a character changes sex, permanently transforming into a member of a different biological sex. While the user’s physiology changes dramatically and the user’s features adjust slightly to take on the qualities of the new sex, the character is still recognizable as the same person. The character has only minor control over the specific details of this new appearance, and the elixir grants no benefit on Disguise skill checks or similar checks.
This elixir’s magic functions instantaneously and can’t be dispelled, though drinking a second elixir of sex shift reverts the character back to the former sex and appearance. The elixir has no effect on characters who are pregnant or are of races with no sexual differentiation. Characters of races with more than two sexes may decide which sex this elixir transforms them into.
Construction requirements
1,125 GP, Craft Wondrous Items, polymorph
Some questions:
On the same note, if a woman is sterile due to menopause, does drinking the elixir remove the sterility?
And if the effect is removed, does it return upon drinking a second?
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whats your game here? are you genuinely interested or just trying to stir the pot?
whats your game here? are you genuinely interested or just trying to stir the pot?
I don't have any sort of political agenda, puerile sense of humor, desire to troll, or passive-aggressive bigotry regarding the subject.
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Does true seeing reveal the transmuted creature's true form?
The new gender is it's "True form."
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You could have combined all your bullet points into one post.
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If a race is described as always female, but picturing a male version is trivial (such as hags), does the elixir work?
I imagine if the race only has one gender the elixir fails.
If a race has different ability modifiers for different genders (as is the case with many far-out, nonhumanoid creatures), do the character's ability scores change?
If, for some bizarre reason, the race has gender specific modifiers I imagine those change as well. Though frankly, I've never seen a race with such modifiers.
Can plant creatures, undead, outsiders, and/or dragons use the elixir?
Do they have a gender? If yes, I imagine it works fine. Though undead are not alive, so perhaps not.
You could have combined all your bullet points into one post.
The FAQ guidelines state that it's better to separate different questions into different posts, so the designers know which question is important when answering a FAQ-flagged post.
For example, the true seeing question is more important than the question about hags, for example.
i dont know why you cant figure this all out on your own i guess is why i asked before
If, for some bizarre reason, the race has gender specific modifiers I imagine those change as well. Though frankly, I've never seen a race with such modifiers.If a race has different ability modifiers for different genders (as is the case with many far-out, nonhumanoid creatures), do the character's ability scores change?
It's more common in Sci-Fi stories, where gender dimorphism can be more extreme. Bipedal talking anglerfish PCs are at home in Star Wars, but would seem weird to D&D players.
Wow, I just realized it's been over twelve years since I played the Star Wars Revised Core Rulebook.
i dont know why you cant figure this all out on your own
Because I didn't design the item in question.
And I definitely didn't design the various creatures in the Bestiaries that might be eligible for this elixir.
If, for some bizarre reason, the race has gender specific modifiers I imagine those change as well. Though frankly, I've never seen a race with such modifiers.If a race has different ability modifiers for different genders (as is the case with many far-out, nonhumanoid creatures), do the character's ability scores change?
The Lashunta would be an example in Pathfinder.
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Most of these questions don't have fixed answers (although some do). Here's how I would rule with indications of why where necessary.
-Does the character's height and weight change? If so, is it rolled randomly or is the same roll used but with the new base?
No explicit rule, but I'd go with same roll if possible since they're recognizably the same, so they are the same interpretation of a different base.
-Does true seeing reveal the transmuted creature's true form?
Agree with TCG - new form is true form as there's no magic keeping it that way any longer.
-If a race is described as always female, but picturing a male version is trivial (such as hags), does the elixir work?
No. "The elixir has no effect on characters who are pregnant or are of races with no sexual differentiation." Only one sex = no sexual differentiation.
-If a race has different ability modifiers for different genders (as is the case with many far-out, nonhumanoid creatures), do the character's ability scores change?
Yes. "While the user’s physiology changes dramatically and the user’s features adjust slightly to take on the qualities of the new sex..."
-Can a Spellcraft check reveal that the creature's form is the result of a magical effect?
No. Not a spell effect. If I saw both the male and female form, a Knowledge (arcana) is in order to offer an explanation.
-Can an analyze dweomer or greater arcane sight spell reveal that a creature's form is the result of a magical effect?
No. Instantaneous effects don't continue to have an aura.
-If a character is sterile before drinking the elixir, are they sterile afterwards? On the same note, if a woman is sterile due to menopause, does drinking the elixir remove the sterility?
Depends. If the same effect would cause sterility in the new form, they remain sterile.
-Can plant creatures, undead, outsiders, and/or dragons use the elixir?
Depends on the critter. Some plants have gender, others don't. If you have gender, it'll do something. Otherwise it'll do nothing.
-If a character is suffering from an effect that can only target creatures of one gender (such as certain types of venereal disease, or familial curses such as "the firstborn sons of House Blahblah shall all die before their sixteenth winter"), does drinking the elixir remove the effect? And if the effect is removed, does it return upon drinking a second?
Depends on the effect. I'd say "firstborn son" doesn't depend on current state, only birth state. "Eldest son" would be affected and a daughter could steal the curse by becoming the eldest son.
-If a creature drinks the elixir while under a polymorph effect to assume a form ineligible for the elixir, does the elixir effect take hold upon returning to the creature's base form, or is it wasted?
Unclear. I'd probably say it doesn't have an impact upon return to original form. I could see this going either way though.
In general, this doesn't need too much adjudication because there are few game mechanics that depend on your gender. Interestingly, sexual preference is something that has game effects (various fey having different effects on critters that are attracted to females, for example). Depending on whether your interpretation of whether the setting is "likes females" or "hetero" this could change your preferences. I'd go with "player (for PCs) or DM (for NPCs) just decides" since it keeps it a lot simpler. For my PCs, I wouldn't change the preferred gender because that's my unresearched understanding of how it works in the real world.
-Can a Spellcraft check reveal that the creature's form is the result of a magical effect?
No. Not a spell effect. If I saw both the male and female form, a Knowledge (arcana) is in order to offer an explanation.
Hmm. Seems Pathfinder removed the "Identify a strange or unique magical effect, such as the effects of a magic stream"—DC 30 or higher—option from the Spellcraft skill. Odd thing to leave out.
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If, for some bizarre reason, the race has gender specific modifiers I imagine those change as well. Though frankly, I've never seen a race with such modifiers.If a race has different ability modifiers for different genders (as is the case with many far-out, nonhumanoid creatures), do the character's ability scores change?
There's a race that appears in People of the Stars and the Inner Sea Bestiary that specifically has different modifiers depending on gender. I think the racial trait is call Sexual Dimorphism and basically the men are big foolish apes and the women are delicate beauties. I can't recall the name off the top of my head, but they're out there.
Depends on the effect. I'd say "firstborn son" doesn't depend on current state, only birth state. "Eldest son" would be affected and a daughter could steal the curse by becoming the eldest son.
I got to thinking, and I just realized that if the curse were "eldest son," then that would mean every son would be affected, because there would always be an eldest son unless every son was dead.
True seeing/Analyze Dweomer etc. - no this is a new, permanent form created by an instantaneous effect, there is no existing magical effect for it to see.
Single sex races - doesn't work, says so right in the text. Doesn't matter whether you can picture it or not it is specifically disallowed.
Spellcraft - arguably you could be able to tell that the form has been altered by magic with a sufficiently high check, but i doubt you could tell specifically what (one of the few questions not easily answered).
Races - covered adequately by TCG for both ability modifiers and those affected, and I agree that undead would be unaffected (but I can see an argument why they would be).
Curse/disease etc - you are for all effects considered your new gender. If that means a curse/disease can no longer affect you because of your gender, then it can no longer affect you. Other than that specific caveat the effect makes no changes to your status in any way. Other diseases remain in effect, if you were sterile, you are still sterile etc.
changes to weight/height - I would keep these proportional, you are still recognisably you, if you can back calculate it and apply the actual rolls to the other gender so much the better.
Under the effect of polymorph - It will ignore the polymorph. this affects your true form only, so it would take effect when you drink it, but you wouldn't necessarily see it until the polymorph wears off.
Girdle - I seem to recall this needing a wish/miracle to overcome (I can't locate a d20 copy), I doubt this would have the power to overcome this curse.
No need to get hostile.
And what exactly is the intended scope of the elixir, anyway? It's obviously not for mechanical benefit, but it does change an aspect of the game world, which requires adjudication.
Depends on the effect. I'd say "firstborn son" doesn't depend on current state, only birth state. "Eldest son" would be affected and a daughter could steal the curse by becoming the eldest son.I got to thinking, and I just realized that if the curse were "eldest son," then that would mean every son would be affected, because there would always be an eldest son unless every son was dead.
Hmm. I see what you mean in that I was taking <firstborn son> as indivisible and (<eldest> <son>) as separable. I don't know if that's the right plan. In any case, it's a question of how you parse the curse and when it processes. If it checks at the 16th birthday or whatever, it would bypass the now-female child. If it checks at birth and passes to them, it would already be upon them.
The elixer isn't an "effect" as the rest of the system understands it. It changes a part of the character. This isn't a polymorph effect or an illusion. This character is now the opposite gender.
Wish could not remove the "effect". It might be able to replicat the elixer, but it is not an ongoing effect like a baleful polymorph and therefore can't be "removed".
And from now on, you should really consolidate all of your questions to one post. It's more organized and makes it easier for people to reply to you. That rule you cited is more for FAQ candidates, which this question doesn't fit the bill.
And what exactly is the intended scope of the elixir, anyway? It's obviously not for mechanical benefit, but it does change an aspect of the game world, which requires adjudication.
It's for characters of masculine biology that want feminine biology. There really isn't more to it than that. It's a way for trans characters to achieve their desired change without needing to find a magical accident like the Girdle of Opposite Gender.
I can't find this elixir in Ultimate Equipment or on Archives of Nethys. Is this from a 3rd party product?
I can't find this elixir in Ultimate Equipment or on Archives of Nethys. Is this from a 3rd party product?
Advanced Class Guide.
d20pfsrd.com is dragging their feet on incorporating the magic items.
I can't find this elixir in Ultimate Equipment or on Archives of Nethys. Is this from a 3rd party product?Advanced Class Guide.
d20pfsrd.com is dragging their feet on incorporating the magic items.
Cool...thanks!
Of all the wastes of time, in all the forums, in all the internet, you walks into here.
And your comment wasn't a waste of time because... reasons.
I think Paizo made a mistake when they said that pregnant characters can't use the elixir, because that opens up the incredibly divisive question of when pregnancy begins, and in a fantasy context where souls exist, that question is a lot harder to answer scientifically. Mature game groups will be able to steer around this issue but it would probably be better to solve the core problem.
Because, for example, polymorph any object works on pregnant creatures even when changing their sex, and presumably the offspring would return if the effect ended.
To avoid having this argument, I'd houserule that the eggs/bodies of developing offspring are absorbed into the body until any gender effect is reversed, at which point development picks up where it left off. Any "soul thingy" or whatever just hangs out in the ether with the other unborn souls until the effect reverses, and passes on like normal if the motherfather dies while anatomically male, because the offspring would be dead then too even without the effect.
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d20pfsrd.com is dragging their feet on incorporating the magic items.
d20pfsrd.com depends a great deal upon volunteers to help John add/edit/update stuff. If additions are running a bit slow and you have some time to spare, perhaps you might contact John and help out?
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I think Paizo made a mistake when they said that pregnant characters can't use the elixir, because that opens up the incredibly divisive question of when pregnancy begins, and in a fantasy context where souls exist, that question is a lot harder to answer scientifically. Mature game groups will be able to steer around this issue but it would probably be better to solve the core problem.
Uh...'pregnant' is a medical term. It has nothing to do with when there's a soul or a human life involved (which is the subject of the debate you refer to). It's purely a matter of conception having happened.
This paragraph and all that follows thus make no sense.