Simple question: What one feat, spell, class ability, etc. would you remove from Pathfinder if you could?
f you remove something from the game that a prerequisite for something else in the game (a PrC/Feat/etc.) the latter is not removed from the game. IE. If I removed the bluff skill from the game, feats requiring X ranks in the bluff skill would still exist, but they would no longer have X ranks in the bluff skill as a prerequisite.
I hope that is clear enough. Answer away.
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Dazing Spell.
I wanna be that guy so, DIVINE PROTECTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh I change my mind.
The feat I woudl remove is combat expertise, the most atrocious feat tax ever.
Seconding this. It is a completely unnecessary feat. Fighting defensively already covers the "Take a penalty to accuracy for more AC" niche just fine, so it has little purpose beyond putting a lot of combat maneuvers behind a stat/feat tax wall.
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arcanist's class ability called "spells"
Wish
Just one? Liches don't know about my house rules list.
Seriously, any mildly-experienced GM worth her salt has more than one feat or ability removed or altered enough to be something entirely different.
But for starters, Heighten Spell. It's the kind of thing that should just work without a feat. If you put a fireball in a 7th-level slot, you should get the minimal benefits that go with that without needing to know some special trick for it.
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Seriously, any mildly-experienced GM worth her salt has more than one feat or ability removed or altered enough to be something entirely different.
What, are you saying I'm not worth my salt for not banning anything? My players know I can be maniacal so they simply don't try to do stupid, broken things.
If I had to choose one, though, it would be Dervish Dance, if only because I'm sick of hearing about it.
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9 level spellcasting.
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Synthesist summoner (I'd allow other summoners)
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Seriously, any mildly-experienced GM worth her salt has more than one feat or ability removed or altered enough to be something entirely different.
What, are you saying I'm not worth my salt for not banning anything? My players know I can be maniacal so they simply don't try to do stupid, broken things.
If I had to choose one, though, it would be Dervish Dance, if only because I'm sick of hearing about it.
On the contrary. You're a lousy, no-good GM for not removing feats and granting their abilities by default. Tyrant!
Master Summoner. The rest can be dealt with, without me having to rewrite encounters or use very lethal tactics, which will likely result in a dead PC.
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Power Attack as a feat. All martial classes are going to take it anyway, so it should just be a thing that any character can do from the outset. And really, do you need any kind of specialized training to "hit things really hard?"
Power Attack as a feat. All martial classes are going to take it anyway, so it should just be a thing that any character can do from the outset. And really, do you need any kind of specialized training to "hit things really hard?"
Power Attack and Combat Expertise both should have been turned into base abilities. Though if I had to choose one to remove forever it would be power attack. More characters take Power Attack, so it would be the more convenient one to become a base game function.
So many things...
Gonna go with Planar Binding though because its abuse is ridiculous.
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The quality of arcane spells that mak s them so good. Remove that and the game balances right up. Or comes closer to it. I suspect that part of that quality is 9th level spells or having enough useful spell slots of high level spells to make use of all the oogles of power.
So maybe my simpler vote is to reduce spell slots of 6th level+ arcane spells on any class with them. Reduce by like half.
Or remove the clause on flurry of blows that makes it a full round/attack action. ^_^
Agile weapon enchantment.
Enough with the Dex-to-Damage crud. If you want to do damage, invest in Strength.
Good thing we have other ways to get it, then :^)
Agile weapon enchantment.
Enough with the Dex-to-Damage crud. If you want to do damage, invest in Strength.
Or any stat for that matter!
In general spells and spell casting cause more problems than anything else:
Dazing Spell
Rime Spell
Peristent Spell
Spell Perfection
Greater Rods of Metamagic
Have all been banned from my games.
I also have a host of other changes I have made for home games.
I'm going to throw in Combat Expertise. BAB is representative of what Combat Expertise represents and I removed it as a prerequisite on all feats in my home games and the game is better for it.
If I had to choose one, though, it would be Dervish Dance, if only because I'm sick of hearing about it.Just make the feat work for most slashing one handers rather then scimitar, give it another name (slashing grace or something)
I don't think that making the feat more easily applied to characters would make it so that he heard about it any less.
:P
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There is no valid or logical reason that would make "I dont want to hear about dervish dance", In the sense that it is too OP to take, a statement that should be tolerated.
So i think he is tired of it because the only thing dexterous character ever take is a scimitar. Use my definition of the feat and you get longsword, dagger, and all kind of less seen weapons.
Even strength build magi use either a scimitar or rapier.
Scimitar is not chosen just for Dervish Dance, but because of both spellstrike limitations and crit range.
There is no valid or logical reason that would make "I dont want to hear about dervish dance", In the sense that it is too OP to take, a statement that should be tolerated.
So i think he is tired of it because the only thing dexterous character ever take is a scimitar. Use my definition of the feat and you get longsword, dagger, and all kind of less seen weapons.
Even strength build magi use either a scimitar or rapier.
Scimitar is not chosen just for Dervish Dance, but because of both spellstrike limitations and crit range.
Katana is popular too, for builds with easy access to proficiency with it.
But yeah, the mechanics of the class mean that the magus is highly incentivized to wield an 18-20x2 one-handed weapon.
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Rogues....
then all the damn rogue threads can finally die...
Knee-jerk reactions being treated as gospel...
Oh, you mean from the game itself!
Oh, yeah, no, totally the chain aspect of feats. Once you pick up one aspect of a major chain (TWF and all its fun), you should get every link in that chain for free once you qualify.
Slumber
Master summoner
Dazing fireball
Rogues....
then all the damn rogue threads can finally die...
I want rogues to be cool.
I want rogues to be cool.Rogues....
then all the damn rogue threads can finally die...
Sure... but at this point the rogue is almost beyong helping (unless Paizo suddenly comes under new management and the new guy goes all "I CAN SEE THE LIGHT!!!" and they actually create rogue talents worth a damn)...
at this point it is most merciful (and much easier on the forums) if the rogue CLASS died and the Bard/slayer/investigator/ranger/alchemist/inquisitor/ninja just take over for it...
Right now my #1 is the teleportation sub school wizard's Shift ability. Getting a silenced, quickened level 4 spell's more useful effect 3 + int times per day just seems like a mistake...
Edit: Especially because now an Arcanist can choose this as a subschool with the School Savant archetype. Not efficient in terms of swift action availability, but the abilities of the teleportation subschool are definitely worth 3 exploits.
Not technically "one thing" ... but I would like to kill off "must take" feats.
Every two handed fighter ever takes Power attack? Make it baseline.
Every archer takes PBS? Dump it.
Everyone who wants to learn maneuvers takes Combat Expertise? Screw that.
Out of all of them the last one is the one I'd pick if I had to just pick one thing though, since at least stuff like power attack makes you better. Combat Expertise is generally just baggage for most builds.
I want rogues to be cool.
That's what the Investigator is for.
Or the Factotum if you're playing 3.P
Hell. Empiricist Investigator is basically a crappier (but more polished) factotum. Just needs that int to hit/damage.
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Pick One:
Non-Rogue Trapfinding:Really, do we have to hand this out to everyone?
Divine Protection:Not OP, but I don't think we need to hand out one of the Paladins like, 4 best class features.
Sacred Geometry:Not only is this powerful, but it also starts risking "mathfinder syndrome".
Leadership:Well, not exactly remove, but make the GM build the cohort instead of the PC. So that its not "Free Crafting".
Feat Chains:This is technically an aspect, not an item, but anything with an "Improved" and/or "Greater" could do with removal. Just make it one.
Combat Expertise:Most Pointless Feat Tax
Point-blank Shot:Second Most Pointless Feat Tax[especially when you look at far shot]
Power Attack:Must-have for anyone w/a 2h weapon and full BAB or buffs. I dislike Must-haves.
Again, pick one, don't [necessarily] do all. Any one of these would somewhat improve an aspect of the game by removal/modification.