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When did we start living in a Judge Dredd comic where the cops have the duty to execute unruly citizens?
It's not "innocence until proven guilty...or you die in which case you probably deserved it you scum."
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This is the PD that charged a man they arrested incorrectly with "damaging police property" by bleeding on their uniforms while they were beating him. One of the officers in that case is now on the city council. Officer Wilson learned his policing in a different town, where the police department was shut down for racism and corruption.
Let's not forget that when asked under oath "were you actually bled on?" the answer by that officer was "no."
Despite his earlier testimony, and a signed statement by the officer and the others involved, that they were bled on. Despite the lawsuit that had already gone through.
They knew they had the wrong man, but they arrested him and beat him up anyway. And when they got called out on it, they charged him with bleeding on them - when in fact none of them had been bled on. Then, on the stand, they admitted to lying about the whole thing, and got off clean.
They charged a man they beat up with bleeding on them and took him to court over it, then admitted they lied about it.
Our skepticism and cynical outlook on the Ferguson PD is pretty well founded, I would say.
In recent history I would imagine they'd hate being called Japanese more.
Oh, my, yes. They'd talk to me about China, and how much they disliked being thought Chinese. Japan was off-limits -- after all, I was their friend, but I was still a Western white guy.
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When did we start living in a Judge Dredd comic where the cops have the duty to execute unruly citizens?
It's not "innocence until proven guilty...or you die in which case you probably deserved it you scum."
Couldn't have put it better myself.
The world we live in IS NOT that of Judge Dredd. The cops ARE NOT judge, jury and executioner all rolled into one- they are COPS.
We have had too many people of late die from offenses that they should have been rightfully ticketed or arrested for. Resistance should be futile, but not deadly, not in the ways we have seen it over the past months. Yes, cops put their lives on the line every day. One never knows when something is going to get ugly and potentially life threatening. But the people who have been killed lately presented only a minimal threat at best to the officer that ended up killing them. It would be different if they had a gun, or hell, even a knife. But the idea that they are big black and scary and the white cop is so *utterly helpless* in every way shape and form that they HAVE to shoot the person despite the other non-lethal weapons at their disposal is unacceptable. Forget the loss of life, it's also making THEIR OWN LIVES a living hell. I may not trust cops very much, or even like them, but I know when they fire a gun, they are accountable for each and every bullet they fire- and when they kill someone they end up living with the ramifications of that death for the rest of their own lives. We should not be putting people on the street, entrusting them with lethal weapons, only to have them use them in situations where it isn't warranted and/or break down when they DO have to use them or shoot themselves out of a job. There's something wrong with the way these cops are being trained, and I think the militarization/mechanization of the police force on a large scale is the main problem.
In recent history I would imagine they'd hate being called Japanese more.Oh, my, yes. They'd talk to me about China, and how much they disliked being thought Chinese. Japan was off-limits -- after all, I was their friend, but I was still a Western white guy.
From what little I know, Japan is crushing on South Korea a bit- older women there find Korean young men cute- but yeah, there's a long ugly ugly ugly history there.
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Right. I understand that when it comes to prosecuting a cop as a murderer you have to give...When did we start living in a Judge Dredd comic where the cops have the duty to execute unruly citizens?
It's not "innocence until proven guilty...or you die in which case you probably deserved it you scum."
Couldn't have put it better myself.
The world we live in IS NOT that of Judge Dredd. The cops ARE NOT judge, jury and executioner all rolled into one- they are COPS.
We have had too many people of late die from offenses that they should have been rightfully ticketed or arrested for. Resistance should be futile, but not deadly, not in the ways we have seen it over the past months. Yes, cops put their lives on the line every day. One never knows when something is going to get ugly and potentially life threatening. But the people who have been killed lately presented only a minimal threat at best to the officer that ended up killing them. It would be different if they had a gun, or hell, even a knife. But the idea that they are big black and scary and the white cop is so *utterly helpless* in every way shape and form that they HAVE to shoot the person despite the other non-lethal weapons at their disposal is unacceptable. Forget the loss of life, it's also making THEIR OWN LIVES a living hell. I may not trust cops very much, or even like them, but I know when they fire a gun, they are accountable for each and every bullet they fire- and when they kill someone they end up living with the ramifications of that death for the rest of their own lives. We should not be putting people on the street, entrusting them with lethal weapons, only to have them use them in situations where it isn't warranted and/or break down when they DO have to use them or shoot themselves out of a job. There's something wrong with the way these cops are being trained, and I think the militarization/mechanization of the police force on a large scale is the main problem.
So you charge him with treason for violating the constitutional rights of others...life in prison.
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Ten years ago on this very night, about about this exact time, is when I got arrested. It wasn't even a protest, but the overblown policing thing was in full effect that week in New York because of the Republican Convention.
Here is video of the scene on the street where I was later arrested. I'm the guy in the orange shirt who is "assisted" into the scene by the NYPD at 1:55. The guy on the ground at about the 5 minute mark is my friend who was 16 years old at the time. A day of horrible detention followed. After many years in court, I was awarded a $1,000 as part of a class action lawsuit settlement, but here we are ten years later, and I haven't seen a dime.
I hope the people of Ferguson get faster compensation for having their rights violated.
From what little I know, Japan is crushing on South Korea a bit- older women there find Korean young men cute- but yeah, there's a long ugly ugly ugly history there.
I was hanging with these guys back in the early '90s, too, so it's possible attitudes have changed after like 20-25 years. On average Koreans tend to be very attractive people (almost up there with Icelanders!), so from that standpoint it's no shock to me that everyone else is starting to figure that out.
I had heretofore been unaware of this story:
West Side of Chicago: Protests Erupt as Chicago Police Department Kill Again: #Roshad McIntosh
Anyone want to cover the kid killed in the Wal-Mart for playing with a BB gun?
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Ten years ago on this very night, about about this exact time, is when I got arrested. It wasn't even a protest, but the overblown policing thing was in full effect that week in New York because of the Republican Convention.
Here is video of the scene on the street where I was later arrested. I'm the guy in the orange shirt who is "assisted" into the scene by the NYPD at 1:55.
Yet according to the link you posted it was a protest. Critical Mass is a left-wing cyclist movement/gathering - which was gathering at the RNC.
You can discuss or argue about police treatment and how they handled the situation - don't lie about the premise, it just makes your overall argument look disingenuous.
Ten years ago on this very night, about about this exact time, is when I got arrested. It wasn't even a protest, but the overblown policing thing was in full effect that week in New York because of the Republican Convention.
Here is video of the scene on the street where I was later arrested. I'm the guy in the orange shirt who is "assisted" into the scene by the NYPD at 1:55.
Yet according to the link you posted it was a protest. Critical Mass is a left-wing cyclist movement/gathering - which was gathering at the RNC.
You can discuss or argue about police treatment and how they handled the situation - don't lie about the premise, it just makes your overall argument look disingenuous.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that the link is to the event that was taking place concurrent to the convention, and Citizen Fergie was subjected to what amounted to egregious use of force for even being in the vicinity of the protests. Wrong-place-wrong-time sort of thing with a side of jack-booted blue-adorned thugs.
As stated, I may be misinterpreting.
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Yet according to the link you posted it was a protest. Critical Mass is a left-wing cyclist movement/gathering - which was gathering at the RNC.
You can discuss or argue about police treatment and how they handled the situation - don't lie about the premise, it just makes your overall argument look disingenuous.
It is called many different things by many different people, from a parade, procession, caravan, protest, etc. Having been pulled into the legal side of things, I was going by the definition used by Justice Stallman, who noted, "Federal Court Judge William Pauley] held that participation in the Critical Mass bicycle rides constitutes ‘expressive association’ entitled to First Amendment protection.” While it may seem like splitting hairs, from a legal perspective, it can make a big difference in what laws and protections apply.
Since we are getting specific about things, critical mass had been happening every month in NYC for about 10 years before the RNC came to town. During that time, there was almost no police attention. In 2003 NYC hosted "Bike Summer" and critical mass was a listed event on a calendar put out by the city. Those rides were some of the best, with thousands of riders of all types and a great vibe. The August 2004 ride took place days before the RNC started, and had been scheduled years before the RNC. Since then the police have spent millions and millions of dollars to crack down on a bicycle ride. The city has also spent many millions of dollars in legal fees and court settlements. I have personally been followed by a police helicopter, and seen dozens and dozens of cops and all manner of equipment every month for YEARS!
Krensky- Sorry you seem to have had a bad experience with CM. I find the streets bring out the worst in some people, regardless of if they are on a bike, motorcycle, car, truck, or shoes. As nice as it would be to have more of a structure to control what happens during CM, in NYC at least the police have made it clear that anyone associating themselves with CM will be targeted. Despite the problems with CM, I am reminded at times like this of a memorial ride I went on several years ago. After visiting about a dozen different locations where cyclists had been killed in the past year, we gathered at the steps of city hall for some speeches. One of the speakers was the father of a young child had recently been killed. He wrapped up his speech by saying that next year, instead of marching on the sidewalks, they would take over the street! A few folks who I knew from CM and I exchanged nervous glances, as we knew what the reality of doing that entailed. We knew that when it really came down to it, people were quite willing to trade many dead children and adults for the convenience of the automobile. I have come to grips that I too am willing to shrug off many deaths rather then walk, ride, or take public transport, but I don't hold it against people who make an effort to minimize the negative effects of the automobile, even if their methods are not above reproach.
It is important to remember that many aspects of our lives have rare but serious consequences. Police are no exception. Everyone wants to stop crime, but armed and militarized police are going to result in more dead children and adults. Just like traffic, it is accepted as a fact of life, but keep in mind that without effort (effort that may not be perfect), it could be a whole lot worse.
EDIT: At this hour, ten years ago , I had spent the night in the filthy Pier 57, was loaded onto a prison bus and driven to "the tombs". I spent the afternoon waiting on that parked bus, chained to my friend and several others. My "arresting officer" was not there, and only he was allowed to take me off the bus and into the jail. At some point late in the day he arrived, and we were finally taken in for fingerprints, bathroom access, mug shots, really bad bologna sandwiches, and finally access to phones. Still hadn't seen a lawyer or had a chance to wash my hands. Still didn't know what I was charged with.
If you were never arraigned, you weren't charged with anything. Not an unknown thing to happen in mass arrests at events like this.
I was finally brought before a judge at about the 26 hour mark, and charged with 3 violations and a misdemeanor.
EDIT: Here is a post that tells what happened
You can be arrested and held for up to 24 hours, then at that point you MUST be either arraigned or cut loose.
Yeah, NYC screwed that one up, that was one of many things that led to the class action settlement victory. Some people were held for up to 72 hours before seeing a judge that week.
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Couldn't find the book I wanted to read next (or a copy of How the Irish Became White for that matter), so I read the Introduction and first chapter of Michelle Alexander's The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness and, although I'm not sure yet, I think the answer to your question might be in there somewhere.
So when I wrote this, I was lying. I hadn't yet finished the first chapter,
Now I have and all I can say is if you like reading Comrade Anklebiter's posts on American history and race relations, you will probably enjoy this book. Starts with Bacon's Rebellion, moves quickly through Reconstruction, the defeat of the Southern Populists, the erection of Jim Crow, penal servitude, the Civil Rights Movement, the Civil Rights Movement backlash, Reaganism and ends up with a delightful quotation about how "In so doing,"--she is referring here to Slick Willie's 1994 crime bills and welfare reform--"Clinton--more than any other president--created the current racial undercaste."
As for Comrade Jeff's question above, Alexander locates the birth of "law and order" rhetoric among Southern segregationists as a rallying cry against the Civil Rights Movement (the passages where she quotes Southern segregationists about civil disobedience and crime being one and the same thing should raise the nape hairs for the anti-police faction of the thread), traces it through the Republican Southern Strategy, the Nixon administration and the Reagan years* and the declaration of the War on Drugs, two years before the crack epidemic (which, Alexander claims, was mostly overblown by the Reagan administration and a servile press), Willie Horton and Ricky Ray Rector.
So, Citizen Pres Man was right: somewhere after 1973.
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One intriguing story from the illustrious reign of Reagan that I don't think I ever heard before, but maybe I just forgot:
"For example, when Reagan kicked off his presidential campaign at the annual Neshoba County Fair near Philadelphia, Mississippi--the town where three civil rights activists were murdered in 1964--he assured the crowd 'I believe in states' rights,' and promised to restore to states and local governments the power that properly belonged to them. His critics promptly alleged that he was signalling a racial message to his audience, but Reagan firmly denied it, forcing liberals into a position that would soon become familiar--arguing that something is racist but finding it impossible to prove in the absence of explicitly racist language."
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Yes, I know.
But what Alexander makes clear (imho, anyway) is that the change in rhetoric was a conscious policy of certain segments of the ruling class to maintain the racial caste system in the United States by changing the language after the abolition of Jim Crow. If it also pitted white workers against black workers, well, even better.
I highly recommend taking it out of the library.
Synergistic weirdiosity!
I clicked over to my hotmail account and found that a comrade had recently posted this article on our googlegroup commie club!
Connecting the Dots:
How Bill Clinton’s Welfare “Reform” Created a System Rife With Racial Biases
More commie propaganda!
The Ferguson Rebellion: Which way forward to End police violence, Racism and Poverty?
Vive le Galt!
I don't think that was quite my question: I want to know when people think it actually stopped being a racial thing and because a justified criminal thing.
Not when the rhetoric changed.
I suspect you agree with me that it's been a racial thing all along. I'm asking those who think today's greater proportion of minorities in the justice system is not due to any racial bias, but just because they commit more crimes.
Poorer communities have always had bigger problems with crime than more wealthy ones. Minorities make up a disproportionate part of the poor, ergo it would not be surprising to find minorities make up a disproportionate part of the criminal justice system.
That isn't to say that racial prejudices don't have anything to do with minorities making up a large segment of the poor or incarcerated, certainly there is a racial component. There is statistical proof that white defenders get lighter sentences for the same offense.
Still I fail to see how this particular incident so far has any evidence of bias based on the system. One can say this particular situation didn't involve any (significant) racial component and still acknowledge that the system as a whole does.
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Two down. Many more to go.
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Wow! This guy is a lunatic! I don't know if this has been posted before, but yeow!
The scary thing is that he is part of some organization, the "Oath Keepers", where you can just say that crazy stuff, and it seems like no one blinks an eye. I watched about three minutes of the video, and had to shut it off. I can't imagine sitting through an hour of that BS.
A very good Cracked article about Fergusen, fully sourced and attributed, with reams of video evidence.
Why is cracked our second most reliable source of newS?
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Right. Our police department does not cover up the shootings of black people. And we respect the right to assemble. Excuse us while we shoot an innocent protestor in the head, use that as an excuse to clear out the crowd, and then hide the bullet so it can't be proved that we shot her in the first place....
I cannot.... there are no words. None.
Uh Oh! Not Again! Unarmed Black Woman Shot to Death by Police in Georgia!
How is it possible to run a news site and NOT time/date stamp your articles?
Uh Oh! Not Again! Unarmed Black Woman Shot to Death by Police in Georgia!
Ugh, so. Wow, just wow.
So much stuff went wrong there. So many ways to avoid that. So many procedures violated by so many different people.
Loss Prevention associate dick-heads. I really hate people who work in retail loss prevention. I have never met one in 10 years (store level upto LPDM) who wasn't a shady, power-whore, prick. That attitude got this lady killed.
The next time someone asks you for your receipt you look them in the face and at the top of your lungs scream, "NO A!+$*++, I DO NOT HAVE TO PROVE TO YOU OR YOUR STORE THAT I OWN MY POSSESSIONS!"
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The handcuffed guy shooting himself in the chest after having been searched for weapons is real though.
As I said earlier, it just goes to show you can't take any chances with those black thugs.
good catch
My favorite morsel of information from this whole thing is in the story about the guy who was falsely arrested, beaten in his cell and charged with destruction of property.
He sued the police department for what they did to him. On the stand, the officer who wrote up the report had the following exchange:
“After Mr. Davis was detained, did you have any blood on you?” asked Davis’ lawyer, James Schottel.
“No, sir,” Beaird replied.
Schottel showed Beaird a copy of the “property damage” complaint.
“Is that your signature as complainant?” the lawyer asked.
“It is, sir,” the cop said.
“And what do you allege that Mr. Davis did unlawfully in this one?” the lawyer asked.
“Transferred blood to my uniform while Davis was resisting,” the cop said.
“And didn’t I ask you earlier in this deposition if Mr. Davis got blood on your uniform?”
“You did, sir.”
“And didn’t you respond no?”
“Correct. I did.”
Afterwards, the St Louis prosecutor in charge of the 4 counts of damage of government property only dropped 2 of the charges. He is also currently unopposed in his re-election campaign this November.
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NYTimes article about today's protest in Ferguson
"Organizers at the rally on Saturday called on demonstrators to drive on Interstate 70 and other area highways at 4:30 p.m. Monday, turn their hazard lights on and stop their vehicles for four and a half minutes to symbolize those four and a half hours that Mr. Brown’s body lay in the middle of the street."
Ugh. Mixing cars and protesting is a shady thing for a variety of reasons.
Best part is at the end of the article:
"As the march turned into the park, a few dozen protesters began chanting, “Ain’t no justice in the park!” out of frustration that the march was not moving on to the city police station. “If they stop here, a lot of people will feel misled,” said Trinette Buck, 40.
Organizers urged order, intimating that splitting up would not help the protest. But eventually a few did break off, then a few more, then many more walking the two miles along the road, drawing supportive honks along the way. Withing an hour, hundreds had convened outside the police station, chanting, holding signs and even directing traffic on the nearby streets while a line of police officers stood behind police tape.
“There is no fear anymore,” said Ms. Buck. “It’s either stand up or die.”
HELL YEAH!
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Damn internet.
Yes, I know.
But what Alexander makes clear (imho, anyway) is that the change in rhetoric was a conscious policy of certain segments of the ruling class to maintain the racial caste system in the United States by changing the language after the abolition of Jim Crow. If it also pitted white workers against black workers, well, even better.
I highly recommend taking it out of the library.
I'll have to come back later and try to do justice to the portions of Alexander's book where she argues that the creation of the Colorblind Mass Incarceration State was aided along by the remnants of the civil rights movement focusing on Affirmative Action which, she contends, amounts to little more than a "racial bribe".
Also, she pointed me towards where that "All of Us or None" slogan that Kimberle Crenshaw pissed off Comrade Pravda with came from:
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Hey you, we got your war - the musical interlude
I was rewatching this video and I realized I had forgotten to post about Boots on Fox.
Not long thereafter, Omar the D&D Hating Terrorist was pleased to have a comment favorited by Boots on some anarchist Facebook page.
Vive le Galt!