The players guide lists them as humanoid. I would assume it's up to the gm and player to decide what type of humanoid their character represents?
I would assume that they are "humanoid (android)". If they were supposed to count as human, that would have been one of their racial features.
I think this might've been touched upon in the Ask James Jacobs thread somewhere. I'll dig around and edit if I find anything.
Edit: Yes. All androids are human-looking according to the James Jacobs post here.
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All of the androids are indeed human analogs. The world on which they were invented didn't have elves or gnomes or dwarves or halflings or pretty much anything other than humans to be modeled after.
In theory, if someone new on Golarion figured out how to manipulate an android foundry and reprogram it, they could churn out androids that look like things other than humans, but that's not happened yet, nor is it gonna happen in Iron Gods (unless the GM wants it to happen, of course).
But yes... the whole point of an android is that they look human.
Or I'll pop in here in person!
All of the androids are indeed human analogs. The world on which they were invented didn't have elves or gnomes or dwarves or halflings or pretty much anything other than humans to be modeled after.
In theory, if someone new on Golarion figured out how to manipulate an android foundry and reprogram it, they could churn out androids that look like things other than humans, but that's not happened yet, nor is it gonna happen in Iron Gods (unless the GM wants it to happen, of course).
But yes... the whole point of an android is that they look human.
Do you plan on revealing more about this world they came from?
That makes three planets (Golarion, Earth, and this third world) with humans. Are there any plans to explore this phenomena in later works?
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Maybe it's future earth 0_0
Maybe it's future earth 0_0
I'm pretty sure Reign of Winter established WWI-era Earth as the "current Earth" in the present day of the campaign setting timeline.
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All of the androids are indeed human analogs. The world on which they were invented didn't have elves or gnomes or dwarves or halflings or pretty much anything other than humans to be modeled after.
In theory, if someone new on Golarion figured out how to manipulate an android foundry and reprogram it, they could churn out androids that look like things other than humans, but that's not happened yet, nor is it gonna happen in Iron Gods (unless the GM wants it to happen, of course).
But yes... the whole point of an android is that they look human.
Do you plan on revealing more about this world they came from?
That makes three planets (Golarion, Earth, and this third world) with humans. Are there any plans to explore this phenomena in later works?
We'll reveal a bit more about their homeworld in Iron Gods as it rolls out, yes. Particularly in the last volume.
Maybe it's future earth 0_0I'm pretty sure Reign of Winter established WWI-era Earth as the "current Earth" in the present day of the campaign setting timeline.
I know that's why I said future earth. They are time traveling androids.
Thank you guys. I'm intrigued! Trying to enter information I to realm works so when I eventually run this campaign it'll be all set!
Maybe it's future earth 0_0It's not. The ship and its androids came from a 3rd planet.
The theory being if there are humans on two planets, that means there are humans on LOTS of planets.
Why is this? That's a good question!
See I may not have guessed right but I got him to say where it's not...
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According to the Ecology of the Android in the AP, androids can take any form, but all have the same statistics. One could be modeled after a tiefling, but it will have the same stats as an android, and not as a tiefling. We also use the rules from the advanced race guide to pump up races. we use 16 RP races, but only 20 point buy for our ability scores so most of the individuality comes from the player's race, not from their ability scores per say.
This came up from one of the books that came out with the descended human. I don't remember the book that is in. James Jacobs might know though. I just can't remember for the life of me.
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According to the Ecology of the Android in the AP, androids can take any form, but all have the same statistics. One could be modeled after a tiefling, but it will have the same stats as an android, and not as a tiefling. We also use the rules from the advanced race guide to pump up races. we use 16 RP races, but only 20 point buy for our ability scores so most of the individuality comes from the player's race, not from their ability scores per say.
This came up from one of the books that came out with the descended human. I don't remember the book that is in. James Jacobs might know though. I just can't remember for the life of me.
I like that I will have to tell my group about it thanks.
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According to the Ecology in the AP, androids who can activate a renewal program in themselves. Their soul leaves and the nanites totally refurbishes the body into a brand new one and a new soul comes in to inhabit the body. When an android is renewed, do any missing limbs grow back?
Later, the Ecology says androids can be raised from the dead, resurrected, true resurrected, or reincarnated.
So, if an android is resurected after their body is renewed, does the soul return to the original body? If it does, what happens to the new soul?
As true resurrection creates a whole new body for someone who died, will there now be two androids with the same face if the android was renewed?
The reincarnate spell grows a new body from the elements at hand, and the Ecology says a new android body can be grown to replace the old. So if an android can be grown a new android body to inhabit, what stops a non-android from gaining an android body?
The reincarnate spell grows a new body from the elements at hand, and the Ecology says a new android body can be grown to replace the old. So if an android can be grown a new android body to inhabit, what stops a non-android from gaining an android body?
Ultimately it falls to GM adjudication, but if I were GM my ruling would be that as Androids are not naturally part of an ecology & the Reincarnate spell is almost solely found on the Druid spell list, a person isn't going to reincarnate into an Android body. An Android who has received a Reincarnate spell will reincarnate into some other body, because ultimately Reincarnate targets the subject's soul rather than their body & we have multiple sources stating that Androids do in fact have souls.
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According to the Ecology in the AP, androids who can activate a renewal program in themselves. Their soul leaves and the nanites totally refurbishes the body into a brand new one and a new soul comes in to inhabit the body. When an android is renewed, do any missing limbs grow back?
Later, the Ecology says androids can be raised from the dead, resurrected, true resurrected, or reincarnated.
So, if an android is resurected after their body is renewed, does the soul return to the original body? If it does, what happens to the new soul?As true resurrection creates a whole new body for someone who died, will there now be two androids with the same face if the android was renewed?
The reincarnate spell grows a new body from the elements at hand, and the Ecology says a new android body can be grown to replace the old. So if an android can be grown a new android body to inhabit, what stops a non-android from gaining an android body?
An android ONLY renews into the same body with a different soul if she dies of old age. In this case, the new android is an entirely different person but just happens to share the same body as numerous others before her.
An android who is resurrected or raised from the dead has their soul return to the body they came from. Note that this kind of magic doesn't work on creatures who died of old age, so there's never any crossover there.
Reincarnation puts the android into a brand new body that's likely NOT an android body, at which point the android is a new creature with an android soul, and does not renew at old age.
According to the Ecology in the AP, androids who can activate a renewal program in themselves. Their soul leaves and the nanites totally refurbishes the body into a brand new one and a new soul comes in to inhabit the body. When an android is renewed, do any missing limbs grow back?
Later, the Ecology says androids can be raised from the dead, resurrected, true resurrected, or reincarnated.
So, if an android is resurected after their body is renewed, does the soul return to the original body? If it does, what happens to the new soul?As true resurrection creates a whole new body for someone who died, will there now be two androids with the same face if the android was renewed?
The reincarnate spell grows a new body from the elements at hand, and the Ecology says a new android body can be grown to replace the old. So if an android can be grown a new android body to inhabit, what stops a non-android from gaining an android body?
An android ONLY renews into the same body with a different soul if she dies of old age. In this case, the new android is an entirely different person but just happens to share the same body as numerous others before her.
An android who is resurrected or raised from the dead has their soul return to the body they came from. Note that this kind of magic doesn't work on creatures who died of old age, so there's never any crossover there.
Reincarnation puts the android into a brand new body that's likely NOT an android body, at which point the android is a new creature with an android soul, and does not renew at old age.
Reading this gave me an interesting idea involving the clone spell.
This spell makes an inert duplicate of a creature. If the original individual has been slain, its soul immediately transfers to the clone, creating a replacement (provided that the soul is free and willing to return). The original's physical remains, should they still exist, become inert and cannot thereafter be restored to life. If the original creature has reached the end of its natural life span (that is, it has died of natural causes), any cloning attempt fails.
Now the clone attempt will fail, however for the clone spell, would "An android ONLY renews into the same body with a different soul if she dies of old age." Would this cause the clones to spring to life? What if the original individual becomes unwilling to return or is not capable of doing so?
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A player did ask me what I would guesstimate the value of an android factory, and these are my estimates based on the above hypothesis:
If I were to guesstimate the value of an Android pod cost, I would probably place it at 306,000 gp (Spell level (8) x caster level (16) x 2000 + Material cost (1,000 x 50) which in pathfinder this would be treated as a minor artifact, as it exceeds the 200,000 gp limit. I estimated 6,120 for a single use pod though that creates one singular android, as I divided the 256,000 gp (cost without material components) by 50 (similar to a charged item) and added the material component (1,000 gp) to get that number. They however will require access to either Cybernetics Lab or a Nanotech Lab to activate as well as a power source.