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As long as it's consensual it's not evil. Just weird. The question is does the Eidolon truly have the capacity for consent.
I think each player and perhaps GM decides this for their indivdual eidolon.
I as a player decided that the eidolon consented and the pact between her and her Summoner (left vague and undefined in RAW) was such that it allowed for consent.
An aasimar summoner who addresses her eidolon as "Mommy" or "Daddy" might be an interesting take on the class. It may be because the eidolon really is the character's parent, or perhaps because it first manifested shortly after the character was orphaned as a young child and became a surrogate parent for a while.
Joe J, I just posted a "child" summoner archetype on the nine blazing months thread.
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Makes me think of Pandora Hearts. Maybe what you're not told is that the Eidolon is the one wearing the pants, and the summoner is more or less there for support.
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An Eidolon's First Summoning
Joshep awoke from the dream feeling something strange, and not just because it had been a particularly pleasant dream.
She was standing there right next to the bed, looking as shocked as he did.
"You, uh, you're real?" he spluttered.
"I'm real!" she replied excitedly, "I have a body! I can talk! I can... I can have sex!"
Joshep had to pull the blankets back over himself as a barrier as the bizarre woman leapt on top of him.
"No, hey, stop! N-not right now!" came his muffled cries.
Obediently, she relented and climbed off him. Joshep peeked out from under the covers. She smiled at him and said,
"As you wish, my summoner."
Joshep paled. "How am I going to explain this to my parents?
An Eidolon's First Summoning
Joshep awoke from the dream feeling something strange, and not just because it had been a particularly pleasant dream.
She was standing there right next to the bed, looking as shocked as he did.
"You, uh, you're real?" he spluttered.
"I'm real!" she replied excitedly, "I have a body! I can talk! I can... I can have sex!"
Joshep had to pull the blankets back over himself as a barrier as the bizarre woman leapt on top of him.
"No, hey, stop! N-not right now!" came his muffled cries.
Obediently, she relented and climbed off him. Joshep peeked out from under the covers. She smiled at him and said,
"As you wish, my summoner."
Joshep paled. "How am I going to explain this to my parents?
see to me eidolons seem to follow summoner's orders because they're so like minded that what ever the summoner probably suggests to do seems like the best idea to them as well, and vice versa.
oh and to not have your super charged eidolon try to kill you because of GM fiat.
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An Eidolon's First Summoning
Joshep awoke from the dream feeling something strange, and not just because it had been a particularly pleasant dream.
She was standing there right next to the bed, looking as shocked as he did.
"You, uh, you're real?" he spluttered.
"I'm real!" she replied excitedly, "I have a body! I can talk! I can... I can have sex!"
Joshep had to pull the blankets back over himself as a barrier as the bizarre woman leapt on top of him.
"No, hey, stop! N-not right now!" came his muffled cries.
Obediently, she relented and climbed off him. Joshep peeked out from under the covers. She smiled at him and said,
"As you wish, my summoner."
Joshep paled. "How am I going to explain this to my parents?
Lol, that is a very amusing setup you have there. Young summoner with a very sexually charged Eidolon. Ha ha, if the community is magically in the know, they may realise that as it has manifested as such an aggressive vixen, this says a lot about the summoner.
Coming of age is going to be so much fun for this character.
"I did not mean to start the harem" anime's are pretty funny.
One also can't be a harem toz, try again.
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There's a huge difference between "After we set up camp my eidolon joins me in my tent." and "My eidolon, who's totally hot and has huge boobs, comes to my tent so I can bone her 'cause I'm awesome."
Pretty much this.
As for evilness:
voluntary = no effect
forced = evil
Where did I say such a thing?
Summon abbreviation defender!
Where did I say such a thing?
You're not fooling anyone masked man!
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Indeed, you make a fool of yourself without my help! :)
Indeed, you make a fool of yourself without my help! :)
What is the purpose of all these aliases agreeing with you?
To give yourself moral support?
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There's an archetype for that :)"I did not mean to start the harem" anime's are pretty funny.
One also can't be a harem toz, try again.
13th level halfling Broodmaster summoner and his up to 8 Special Ladies. :)
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I play my summoner like an anime duo of kinda useless guy and the super powered girl that loves him for some inexplicable reason. Yes they share a room/tent, everyone knows they are a couple. So far they are just now piecing together that she is anything unnatural as she finally got beaten in combat and had to be resummoned. I neither say nor imply anything beyond them sharing space and are obviously a couple, another player however makes occasional comments mostly over weather the scrawny summoner has a choice....
That is amusing, I wouldn't mind that in my games.
Maybe the summoner will one day stand on his own two feat, get rid of her and retrain as a sorcerer?
Did the Eidolon get the title or the puppet?
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Is this the part where we bring up using Polymorph on your Animal Companion to make it Humanoid for the night? Cause I had a player try that one before, too. I decided it was easier to make NPC's for this purpose than allow the players to dream up things with even more squick.
Yeah, I think if a group of players are into that sort of thing it is definitely wiser for the GM to come up with an NPC. It might curtail particularly lurid set ups and avoid player-on-player stuff of the same thing, which can likely complicate things far more for a GM than making an NPC.
Thank you for the Clerks 2 flashback.
Weird yes, evil no. Could be worse.At least it's attractive and nominally female. It could be an animal companion.
"I'm disgusted and horrified and... can't... look... away..."
Lastly, what if this summoner was a synthesist?
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I had a summoner who fooled around with his eidolon because she wouldn't let him fool around with anyone else -- it just wasn't worth it to deal with the blast of nasty thoughts she sent into his head whenever he so much as looked at another woman.
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This thread has made me add a Calistrian Evangelist/Summoner who does her daily Obediance with her Vendenopterix Eidolon to my ever growing list of builds I wanna play. Already started their backstory and everything...
If Eidolons are sentient and controlled by the summoner
... and, if the eidolon is willing, it still wouldn't inherently be "wrong" per se, dependent on the ethical/moral outlook you ascribe to.
That said, as has been mentioned, I can easily see it being evil for a whole host of reasons. Doesn't mean it inherently is.
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I know the whole "contract with an outsider" interpretation of the Summoner/eidolon relationship is a popular one, but here's my take . . .
One interpretation is the idea that the eidolon is a literal manifestation of the Summoner's own imagination, given substance by extraplanar energy/matter. It is part of the Summoner, and barring special situations (the Unfettered Eidolon) does not exist independently of the Summoner (as demonstrated by the disappearance of the eidolon when the Summoner loses consciousness).
In this interpretation of the Summoner/eidolon relationship, it's not a master/slave(servant/contracted ally/etc) relationship. It's something more like a person manifesting a part of their own being as a separate physical entity. Engaging in intimate relations with said entity would be akin to masturbation more than anything.
So, not evil, but a little weird in a public game.
I think a rereading of the origin story for Balazar might be in order for folks who are unclear on the 'nature' of a summoner's relationship to its eidolon and the 'nature' of the eidolons existance apart from the summoner. Separate entity. Separate spirit. Willfully forms a bond with a summoner for mutual benefit. Of whatever variety benefit that bond could be among an infinite variety of possible interpretations of 'beneficial bond'.
It is very much about 'finding that compatible spirit on the end of the extraplanar hotline'. Ultimate campaign states:
An eidolon would obey a cruel summoner’s order to save a child from a burning building, knowing that at worst the f ire damage would temporarily banish it, but it wouldn’t stand in a bonf ire just because the summoner said to. An eidolon is normally a player-controlled companion, but the GM can have the eidolon refuse extreme orders that would cause it to suffer needlessly.
So 'coerced interactions' that cause 'needless suffering' can be refused. The eidolon always has a choice, its simply that its not a big stretch of the mind that the bond an eidolon would form could be stronger than simply a dude and his kali armed tramplepouncing ragemount.
Particularly if the eidolon prefers being ragemounted by the summoner...
Ok. That wasnt helpful.
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Brings up another interesting question: Could one marry one's eidolon?
My PFS summoner did and has been married for some time (disapproval by others is part of the backstory as to why they became pathfinders).
I just got one of the daughters grandfathered in as an aasimar in a game gmed Wensday night, though I won't play her right away. She and her twin sister are going to be my squire and herald boon respectively.
I'm playing it such that their children, twin girls and a younger boy, are blessings sent by Sheyln and are treated as Aasimars.
I could also play it that these children are a 'gift' from Lamashtu and hence, tieflings.
Hope that was helpful.
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It's certainly not "evil" but it would definitely make me uncomfortable at a table. Maybe I'm just a hypocrite, but I don't have any problem with a character having an in-gamerelationship or even buying a prostitute. It could be a clever way to show your character's priorities in a town if, after a big adventure, the first thing he/she does is buy a shower and some "company".
I myself have a summoner, and the first thought I had when making his eidolon wasn't how he could have sex with it...
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It's not evil, it is kinda weird outside of the bipedal form...an...maybe serpentine if...naga like...eh *shrugs* Not the weirdest thing I've heard, and it wouldn't of bothered me much.
To be honest it'd make for a great novel read though. Nice spin on all those romance novels, and much more interesting then romances with bdsm dom wanna bes and/or sparkly vampires.
And it does make me think about how an Eidolon blooded Sorcerer would work.
And just a side on the whole 'married couple' idea I could see them raising a kid, get into an argument over parenting and the summoner go "Oh go away!" anytime he or she starts to lose the argument, to save face. :P
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It's not evil, it is kinda weird outside of the bipedal form...an...maybe serpentine if...naga like...eh *shrugs* Not the weirdest thing I've heard, and it wouldn't of bothered me much.
To be honest it'd make for a great novel read though. Nice spin on all those romance novels, and much more interesting then romances with bdsm dom wanna bes and/or sparkly vampires.
And it does make me think about how an Eidolon blooded Sorcerer would work.
And just a side on the whole 'married couple' idea I could see them raising a kid, get into an argument over parenting and the summoner go "Oh go away!" anytime he or she starts to lose the argument, to save face. :P
People have enough trouble with their spouses IRL. If you ever banished them from the material plane, you should probably be afraid to resummon, and then realize that the longer you don't, the more angry they'll be, and then get scared all over again.
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That just makes it even more interesting from a RP prospective.
