Well, that's a fair compromise.
Well done, Paizo staff.
Thanks for the heads up!!
Just a note Oracles can also no longer gain access to the entire wizard list through Improved Eldritch Heritage. It was only available at level 11 so wont have much impact on PFS but if you grabbed Eldritch Heritage to do it you may want to retrain.
How does this affect how Casimir can take things on, andreww?
andreww wrote: Just a note Oracles can also no longer gain access to the entire wizard list through Improved Eldritch Heritage. It was only available at level 11 so wont have much impact on PFS but if you grabbed Eldritch Heritage to do it you may want to retrain. I'm not quite clear on how you arrived at that conclusion. The wording in the FAQ specifies that the choice of feat, and all following choices, is set on first cast of paragon surge each day. Thus, on following days, you can certainly pick up different spells.
To me, I'd describe this as being able to select a single spell from the entire wizard list per day. (Which, while certainly more restricted than before, still allows an Oracle to bust out that one perfect spell to solve a key problem.)
andreww wrote: Just a note Oracles can also no longer gain access to the entire wizard list through Improved Eldritch Heritage. It was only available at level 11 so wont have much impact on PFS but if you grabbed Eldritch Heritage to do it you may want to retrain. I dunno, I mean, that familiar alone is pretty nice. Deliver Touch Spells+Alertness feat[for a low-Wis class]+[variable bonus, often +4 initiative] is a good feat. And retraining is a bit expensive in PFS.
Atragon wrote: andreww wrote: Just a note Oracles can also no longer gain access to the entire wizard list through Improved Eldritch Heritage. It was only available at level 11 so wont have much impact on PFS but if you grabbed Eldritch Heritage to do it you may want to retrain. I'm not quite clear on how you arrived at that conclusion. The wording in the FAQ specifies that the choice of feat, and all following choices, is set on first cast of paragon surge each day. Thus, on following days, you can certainly pick up different spells.
To me, I'd describe this as being able to select a single spell from the entire wizard list per day. (Which, while certainly more restricted than before, still allows an Oracle to bust out that one perfect spell to solve a key problem.) There's another FAQ that says if you have something that adds a spell to your spells known, unless it also adds it to your spell list (or is a class feature, which doesn't have to explicitly say that it adds it to your list), you can't cast it.
So an Oracle with the New Arcana power from the Arcane bloodline cannot cast any spells they pick up that aren't also on the Cleric/Oracle list.
Holy nerf, Batman!
I really dislike the practice of FAQratta - this isn't a rules clarification, which FAQs are supposed to be, it's a rules change. But I can't say the change isn't justified.
The Morphling wrote: I really dislike the practice of FAQratta - this isn't a rules clarification, which FAQs are supposed to be, it's a rules change. FAQs are only "supposed to be" clarifications and not changes? According to what?
In any case, new designer Mark Seifter explained that since they can't do eratta until a book gets reprinted (and that's a decree from higher up than the design team), "FAQratta" as you call it has no other place to go than the FAQ, so it's either that or not have it until years later (or possibly never, depending on the book).
Wow, stealth nerf rules change.
What the heck is the point of adding spells known that aren't on a spell list then?
(Or, IOW, doesn't this change devalue arcane bloodline's level 9 power for other arcane casting classes as well?)
Atragon wrote: (Or, IOW, doesn't this change devalue arcane bloodline's level 9 power for other arcane casting classes as well?) Well, that's the thing: the arcane bloodline was written for sorcerers, not for other casting classes.
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Atragon wrote: Wow, stealth nerf rules change.
What the heck is the point of adding spells known that aren't on a spell list then?
(Or, IOW, doesn't this change devalue arcane bloodline's level 9 power for other arcane casting classes as well?)
There isn't one. That's the point of the FAQ.
Adding spells known is supposed to let you cast more of the spells on your list, not let you add spells from other caster's lists. Except in the cases where it specifically says "And add to your list". Or when it's a class ability that says "Add spells from another class's list".
This only comes up when you jump through hoops to add abilities intended for one class to another.
And yes it does devalue it. Though you can still grab spells that are shared by both lists. As the Oracle can for that matter.
Should we be surprised that a level 9 ability works best for the class that gets it? Rather than being mostly for other classes to get by way of feats?
I disagree that using a published feat, as intended, to utilize a Sorcerer Bloodline Power, as intended, is "jumping through hoops".
Apparently the Design Team simply thought it was too powerful of an option and needed to be scaled back.
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