Making the save


Advice


If a caster uses a spell, such as charm or dominate, on a target, and the target saves, does the caster know that it didn't work? Can the target, assuming it knows what spell was just cast on it, make, say, a bluff check, or something similar (perhaps a Perform: Acting check?) to trick the caster into thinking the spell actually worked?


From the section on saving throws on the PRD:

PRD wrote:
Succeeding on a Saving Throw: A creature that successfully saves against a spell that has no obvious physical effects feels a hostile force or a tingle, but cannot deduce the exact nature of the attack. Likewise, if a creature's saving throw succeeds against a targeted spell, you sense that the spell has failed. You do not sense when creatures succeed on saves against effect and area spells.


Ah, thanks. Off to deduce the meaning of an "effect" spell, though...

Grand Lodge

There are Subject, Effect, and Area spells. You only know when they make the save vs a Subject spell.

Effect: Some spells create or summon things rather than affecting things that are already present.

It is all in the Magic Section of the Core or PRD.

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