lich and Phylactery: Do they need to be on the same plane to function

[TheBulletKnight]

I thought of curse just for fun. You know one of those one time spells that the gm could use to get one of the party members with to jazz up the story.

Course, it is a spell that could easily be abused, especially if you're an evil caster with the Leadership feat, then you can cast it on your cohort, let fate take it's course, command undead him, then 'wash, rinse, repeat' until you have a small army of powerful, intelligent undead at your disposal...

[OilHorse]

Pretty sure 2e Forgotten Realms had Dracoliches.

Just sayin'

[chaoseffect]

wraithstrike wrote:

As for forcing someone into lichdom, it is almost impossible except by GM Fiat. The process is very personal, so a lot of research must be done to make it work for that person. That person must also do terrible things.

It's not exactly the same thing, but check out the spell Canopic Conversion. It's a 9th level spell and certainly isn't a lich conversion, but I would say it is close enough to provide a bit of a precedence for a similar effect.

[wraithstrike]

Mummies dont require personalized rituals and intentional evil acts on your part. However a lich entering into a GM requires GM permission anyway so I guess it does not really matter.

[Pizza Lord]

You could make your phylactery a djinni bottle which will obviously give off magic and have a trapped/cohort/planar bargained servant djinni who is forbidden/commanded/unable to give an accurate description of your phylactery or tell anyone where it is, though it's perfectly allowed to lie or claim that it can't locate it, possibly because of nondetection or concealment magicks.

Your phylactery could also just look like a djinni bottle with command word and everything including the instructions that it takes a week to bond with a new owner (which should give the lich time to reform in most cases.) Maybe he can even disguise himself as the helpful trapped creature and play with the adventurers or send them all over the place looking for the phylactery.
"Yes, Wise One. I am most certain I overheard the lich mention the Pit of Slimy Doom at one point and only 'He who can seduce the Bloat Queen shall have it revealed.' Please leave me here on the shelf, the Queen's stench took a month to remove last time."

[Disciple of Sakura]

Meiliken wrote:

There is another type of phylactery in Sandstorm where you split it 7 times, probably where that talentless hack of a writer got her idea from.

Order of the Phoenix, where the concept of Horcruxes were first introduced, along with the idea of there being a plan to create 7, was published in 2003.

Sandstorm was published in 2005.

Who was the talentless hack who stole their ideas from whom?

[Tiny Coffee Golem]

Disciple of Sakura wrote:

Meiliken wrote:

There is another type of phylactery in Sandstorm where you split it 7 times, probably where that talentless hack of a writer got her idea from.

Order of the Phoenix, where the concept of Horcruxes were first introduced, along with the idea of there being a plan to create 7, was published in 2003.

Sandstorm was published in 2005.

Who was the talentless hack who stole their ideas from whom?

Burn.

[Weirdo]

Lincoln Hills wrote:

Good thinking. Scroll of Silent greater teleport. Wait... can spell-trigger activation be silent? I know command words can't.

Riffle Scrolls

Disciple of Sakura wrote:

Order of the Phoenix, where the concept of Horcruxes were first introduced, along with the idea of there being a plan to create 7, was published in 2003.

Thanks, I needed a reminder that the defining points of my childhood are slipping further and further into the mists of time.

[Disciple of Sakura]

Weirdo wrote:

Thanks, I needed a reminder that the defining points of my childhood are slipping further and further into the mists of time.

Childhood? You young 'un. I was in college when Harry Potter was being released. Optimus Prime died in theatres before I was 10.

[the David]

So what would happen if a lich would reform on another plane and then head back to the material plane? Would it gain the extraplanar subtype and could it be banished as such?

[Tiny Coffee Golem]

the David wrote:

So what would happen if a lich would reform on another plane and then head back to the material plane? Would it gain the extraplanar subtype and could it be banished as such?

No. Its still the same body, just made anew.

[Weirdo]

Disciple of Sakura wrote:

Weirdo wrote:

Thanks, I needed a reminder that the defining points of my childhood are slipping further and further into the mists of time.

Childhood? You young 'un. I was in college when Harry Potter was being released. Optimus Prime died in theatres before I was 10.

Just returning the favour. ;)