Question about Lamashtu and beasts


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In the inner sea gods, it talks about how Lamashtu slew another god and gained that diety's dominion over beasts and that as a result wild beasts hate humanoids.What exactly does that mean? Do all wild animals hate all creatures considered humanoind even elves? and what about druids?


Well, you need to undertstand that parts of the backstory for the gods will be truth, parts of it will be false and that many of the fine details are glossed over.

So any parts of it will be 100% correct and others as accurate as say the iliad. That is to say a rough sketch of history mixed with lots of good mythology.

So we know Lamashtuu killed a god close to Desna and claimed dominion over beasts. Wether the bit about this being why wild animals are hostile to animals is accurate who knows.

As for the Druids, I can tell you that connection between druids and animals and the reason druids have animal companions is called the Green Pact and is one of the central things for the Green faith.

The problem is, the place where the pact took place is now a desecrated stone field in the world wound.. Alot of the actual history is likely lost and the info about it is scattered in some books.


Thomas Jones wrote:

In the inner sea gods, it talks about how Lamashtu slew another god and gained that diety's dominion over beasts and that as a result wild beasts hate humanoids.What exactly does that mean? Do all wild animals hate all creatures considered humanoind even elves? and what about druids?

I always saw this as a possible explanation as to why wild animals will attack humanoids creatures in Golarion...which is a odd behavior in most animals in reality.


John Kretzer wrote:
Thomas Jones wrote:

In the inner sea gods, it talks about how Lamashtu slew another god and gained that diety's dominion over beasts and that as a result wild beasts hate humanoids.What exactly does that mean? Do all wild animals hate all creatures considered humanoind even elves? and what about druids?

I always saw this as a possible explanation as to why wild animals will attack humanoids creatures in Golarion...which is a odd behavior in most animals in reality.

Yeah I always figured since Curchanus was "presumed Good." Animals and people lived in harmony or at least didn't attack each other on sight. Lamashtu changed that so now Animals will attack humans that get too close.

As for Rangers and Druids, the difference is that they have such experience with nature or derive their power from harmony with it that they can calm wild animals. Remember both classes are magic and get their power from nature itself. If you need more of an explanation, remember there is always Gozreh. He/She isn't evil and wants harmony with nature.

Elves are usually in touch with forests and nature so they are better with dealing with wild animals but that's an adaptation to an environment. They might not be able to handle caves and underworld creatures like a Dwarf because Dwarves are better adapted to that environment. Not to mention, Elves don't get any inherent bonuses to handling animals, not even with Alternate Favored Class Bonuses or Racial Archetypes.

I still don't think an elk or sheep will attack on sight. It's usually lions, and tigers, and bears, oh my.


I took it as kind of the Golarion equivalent of a "Golden Age" or "Eden" story in that there was a time when humans and nature were in harmony, but they aren't now...

John Kretzer wrote:
Thomas Jones wrote:

In the inner sea gods, it talks about how Lamashtu slew another god and gained that diety's dominion over beasts and that as a result wild beasts hate humanoids.What exactly does that mean? Do all wild animals hate all creatures considered humanoind even elves? and what about druids?

I always saw this as a possible explanation as to why wild animals will attack humanoids creatures in Golarion...which is a odd behavior in most animals in reality.

...Although I really like the idea that it makes animals in Golarion more aggressive than in RL. (EDIT: yeah, predatory animals, not just random herbivores, that would be kind of silly)

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John Kretzer wrote:
Thomas Jones wrote:

In the inner sea gods, it talks about how Lamashtu slew another god and gained that diety's dominion over beasts and that as a result wild beasts hate humanoids.What exactly does that mean? Do all wild animals hate all creatures considered humanoind even elves? and what about druids?

I always saw this as a possible explanation as to why wild animals will attack humanoids creatures in Golarion...which is a odd behavior in most animals in reality.

This is more or less correct. Animals in RPGs tend to be a lot more aggressive than they are in real life, and this was a little bit of playful backstory to explain why.


James Jacobs wrote:
John Kretzer wrote:
Thomas Jones wrote:

In the inner sea gods, it talks about how Lamashtu slew another god and gained that diety's dominion over beasts and that as a result wild beasts hate humanoids.What exactly does that mean? Do all wild animals hate all creatures considered humanoind even elves? and what about druids?

I always saw this as a possible explanation as to why wild animals will attack humanoids creatures in Golarion...which is a odd behavior in most animals in reality.
This is more or less correct. Animals in RPGs tend to be a lot more aggressive than they are in real life, and this was a little bit of playful backstory to explain why.

It explains all those random encounter animals and animal-intelligence magical beasts viciously hunting poor adventurers, all those poor villages being terrorized by beasts, and all of them fighting to death when facing PCs :D


That is actually a very clever idea :)


You would think that Lamashtu would have the Animal domain then, wouldn't you?

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Samasboy1 wrote:
You would think that Lamashtu would have the Animal domain then, wouldn't you?

In my games, I actually give all the Core 20 Deities an extra Domain. Animal is the 6th for Lamashtu. It really fills in some other logical holes in the Domain selections as well (granting Cayden Cailean Liberation, for example, or Desna Darkness).

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Samasboy1 wrote:
You would think that Lamashtu would have the Animal domain then, wouldn't you?

Nope. Most deities have more than 5 appropriate domains that COULD be associated with them, but they only get 5. Lamashtu's domains that she does have access to are the 5 most important ones. Animal would be somewhere in the top ten, but below slot 5, and thus isn't one she grants.


Deadmanwalking wrote:
Samasboy1 wrote:
You would think that Lamashtu would have the Animal domain then, wouldn't you?
In my games, I actually give all the Core 20 Deities an extra Domain. Animal is the 6th for Lamashtu. It really fills in some other logical holes in the Domain selections as well (granting Cayden Cailean Liberation, for example, or Desna Darkness).

Since it's extremely difficult to get more than 2 domains on a single character, I usually go with no fixed number of domains for any deity -- they get whatever's thematically appropriate. (Either that, or I don't count the alignment domains toward the limit, though that really needs two Neutrality domains -- one for each axis -- to be fair.)

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