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Nobody touches my dice - they may de-luck them. I have a tool box full of dice you can take what you want from there but don't touch my lucked up dice
I am normally a rational skeptical science based evidence kind of guy, but I have fired, retired, frozen, thrown out and executed unlucky dice.
There is one guy at my table who will roll under 15 the entire night. He is not allowed within 20cm of my dice.
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This is why i wanted Paizo to do a Garund Pantheon with Dark Skinned Gods. We have a Black Paladin iconic, but she was a converted thieve. We have Old Man Jatembe, but he appears so little. Why blacks can´t be gods ? Here in the Bahia state of Brazil we still worship the Orishas, a black pantheon much like the Norse, or the Olympians. I feel like everything non-white in USA must be 2nd class or something.
We never felt that being black is wrong around here in Brazil, but all the media from USA (including the tabletop RPGs) make it like we don´t exist or can´t be heroes or gods.
Seelah was very popular around here and a beacon of hope that maybe Pathfinder is different.
We never felt that being black is wrong around here in Brazil, but all the media from USA (including the tabletop RPGs) make it like we don´t exist or can´t be heroes or gods.
The reason for that has more to do with money than anything else. If there was a market for a black pantheon, there would be a company willing to produce it.
Some players don't necessarily like multi-cultural campaigns either. I had one campaign strongly based on ancient Egypt, and my players were all for it until I started showing off the imagery. I guess they thought it was going to be ancient Egypt but with all white people.
Is it okay if this Melaninally Challenged Nerd brings up the phrase "Driving While Black"? Because having been in the car more than once with one of my black friends/cousins/associates, and having seen the way the cops and security guards in their neighborhoods (or business parks, or wherever) have treated them vs me when driving, I can say via observational evidence that it's a thing.
Yeah, "Driving while Black" is definitely a thing. I have seen the same thing while being driven by black men; we get pulled over for nothing at all. The weird thing about it is black police officers do it do black drivers as well. Maybe they all get the same training course in profiling?
As far as paranoia over dice and books... that's just weird. Although I have heard legends from grognards about how NO ONE can touch their dice. Hey no problem dice tend to roll better once I touch them anyway. :p
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The reason for that has more to do with money than anything else. If there was a market for a black pantheon, there would be a company willing to produce it.Some players don't necessarily like multi-cultural campaigns either. I had one campaign strongly based on ancient Egypt, and my players were all for it until I started showing off the imagery. I guess they thought it was going to be ancient Egypt but with all white people.
Maybe could be a market if there were black gods. And i don't even go to discuss why only non-white cultures are considered "outsider" cultures. Why can't Pharasma have been black ? Or Urganthoa ? Or Abadar ? Or Desna ? USA and Brazil are like distorted mirror images, they had a similar timeline, but are so different in everything. All cultural values of the africans were throw away and you refuse to acknowledge anything besides the gangster culture.
Here the african-descedents at least respected for their roots, their music, food, religions and lore are part of the mainstream culture to the point there is both normal for a "black" person to no follow them as is a "white" person to follow them and don't have any labels as wiggers or oreos binded into them.
Another sign that it's not so much about "hating black people", it's about stereotypes and assumptions. Even black people can buy into racist views about black people.Is it okay if this Melaninally Challenged Nerd brings up the phrase "Driving While Black"? Because having been in the car more than once with one of my black friends/cousins/associates, and having seen the way the cops and security guards in their neighborhoods (or business parks, or wherever) have treated them vs me when driving, I can say via observational evidence that it's a thing.Yeah, "Driving while Black" is definitely a thing. I have seen the same thing while being driven by black men; we get pulled over for nothing at all. The weird thing about it is black police officers do it do black drivers as well. Maybe they all get the same training course in profiling?
It is. I can not find the words right now, but distrust in black people is something that is also present in other black persons.
Here is a video of an study that was made in several countries of latin america, not sure if this study was also made in the US, I could just find it in spanish.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnJZhPCqY9M
It can be found things like
Interviewer: If a candy get lost who do you think stole it?
Black Kid: The black one
Interviewer: Why?
Black Kid: Because he is black.
Maybe could be a market if there were black gods.
The reason for that has more to do with money than anything else. If there was a market for a black pantheon, there would be a company willing to produce it.Some players don't necessarily like multi-cultural campaigns either. I had one campaign strongly based on ancient Egypt, and my players were all for it until I started showing off the imagery. I guess they thought it was going to be ancient Egypt but with all white people.
Maybe, but Paizo -- and RPG publishing in general -- has a lot of experience with what does and doesn't sell.
Criminology is a field largely dominated by liberals who are quite critical of law enforcement. It is the furthest thing I can imagine from a favorable audience for law enforcement. But even they recognize that the victim-reported and police-reported number breakdowns correlate quite closely. Even my far-left instructors who were otherwise wildly suspicious of police made that admission.You'll understand if I don't take you at your word at that, officer.
Hey, what do I know? I only spent several years being told that I was the enemy by my classmates and teachers. If not for the work I'd already put into it, I would have left the degree program in protest of the strong anti-law enforcement bias present. This is a field where this is a valid and reasonable theory: intraracial crime involving blacks is so high because they really want to victimize whites but cannot find any available. (This is called the Horizontal Violence Theory.) This is a field in which cop-killers (Mumia Abu-Jamal, Assata Shakur, Kathy Boudin, to give a few) and terrorists (Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn, to give a few more) are often celebrated.
Maybe could be a market if there were black gods.
The reason for that has more to do with money than anything else. If there was a market for a black pantheon, there would be a company willing to produce it.Some players don't necessarily like multi-cultural campaigns either. I had one campaign strongly based on ancient Egypt, and my players were all for it until I started showing off the imagery. I guess they thought it was going to be ancient Egypt but with all white people.
Maybe, but Paizo -- and RPG publishing in general -- has a lot of experience with what does and doesn't sell.
Paizo publish material with gays, lesbians and transgender, not sure how a couple of black gods would sell less.
Paizo publish material with gays, lesbians and transgender, not sure how a couple of black gods would sell less.Maybe could be a market if there were black gods.
The reason for that has more to do with money than anything else. If there was a market for a black pantheon, there would be a company willing to produce it.Some players don't necessarily like multi-cultural campaigns either. I had one campaign strongly based on ancient Egypt, and my players were all for it until I started showing off the imagery. I guess they thought it was going to be ancient Egypt but with all white people.
Maybe, but Paizo -- and RPG publishing in general -- has a lot of experience with what does and doesn't sell.
The percentage of gay lesbian/transgender gamers is higher than the general population and the percentage of African Americans is lower in gamers than the general population?
Also unless paizo goes skinimax you can't tell the characters orientation by flipping through the books. Ethnicity is more apparent in the artwork.
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Maybe, but Paizo -- and RPG publishing in general -- has a lot of experience with what does and doesn't sell.
I agree with your point in principle, but I think that the phrase "representation matters" should apply in our hobby just as much if not more than it does in other things (cinema, television, etc).
There are a ton of black gamers out there who deserve to be represented by just as many gods, cultures, and non-stereotyped npc's as possible. I know that you're not arguing against that, but "What sells" shouldn't necessarily be the only deciding factor, here.
Yes, our hobby is predominated by middle class white suburban nerds. Yes, the primary buyers of these games are those same MCWSN's. But that doesn't mean that the publishers can't "take a chance" and give us a culture based on an Africa that doesn't automatically fall back to the "noble savage" trope. It doesn't mean that we can't have a black Deity or three and not have them be "the outsider" of the bunch.
Personally, I'm sick of the "Let's just lump all the myriad cultures of Africa into one Noble Savage culture while we pay slavish attention to the European and Japanese analogs, because that's what makes us money" habit. I know it's hard to break, but it's got to start somewhere, doesn't it?
I want an Egyptian analog where the people from that culture have dark skin and raise cheetahs as sport animals. I want their rivals to be an analog to the Nubian empire, which spread out over a greater distance and was just as powerful, and built many, many more pyramids than their neighbors to the north. I want an analog of Sumeria and Babylon, with swarthy warrior kings and their beast-men companions building enormous towers of clay and stone as a testament not to the power of their Gods, but to the power of their minds. I want Mystical Pajama Assassins who don't come from a remote set of islands where the Katana is king... or at least, if they do come from such a place, I want to see the expression of sheer horror on their face the first time their sword bounces off the metal armor of a mounted knight instead of slicing through the bamboo-and-leather they're used to. I want more than one culture per landmass, more than one culture per skin color, more than one culture per anything-that-isn't-a-European-Analog.
Maybe I want too much. But damn it, someone has to.
Maybe I'm crazy, but I think if these things were made available, they'd get bought.
The percentage of gay lesbian/transgender gamers is higher than the general population and the percentage of African Americans is lower in gamers than the general population?
There is also a big percentage of games that dislike gay/lesbians/trans and still paizo books sells good. I would be surpirsed if people would get more upset by color skin than for gender orientation.
Also, what are the basis for htat statement?
Also unless paizo goes skinimax you can't tell the characters orientation by flipping through the books. Ethnicity is more apparent in the artwork.
Perhaps that way more black people woudl be attracted to this particular RPG.
Paizo publish material with gays, lesbians and transgender, not sure how a couple of black gods would sell less.Maybe could be a market if there were black gods.
The reason for that has more to do with money than anything else. If there was a market for a black pantheon, there would be a company willing to produce it.Some players don't necessarily like multi-cultural campaigns either. I had one campaign strongly based on ancient Egypt, and my players were all for it until I started showing off the imagery. I guess they thought it was going to be ancient Egypt but with all white people.
Maybe, but Paizo -- and RPG publishing in general -- has a lot of experience with what does and doesn't sell.
The percentage of gay lesbian/transgender gamers is higher than the general population and the percentage of African Americans is lower in gamers than the general population?
Also unless paizo goes skinimax you can't tell the characters orientation by flipping through the books. Ethnicity is more apparent in the artwork.
Care to cite a source on that?
Paizo publish material with gays, lesbians and transgender, not sure how a couple of black gods would sell less.Maybe could be a market if there were black gods.
The reason for that has more to do with money than anything else. If there was a market for a black pantheon, there would be a company willing to produce it.Some players don't necessarily like multi-cultural campaigns either. I had one campaign strongly based on ancient Egypt, and my players were all for it until I started showing off the imagery. I guess they thought it was going to be ancient Egypt but with all white people.
Maybe, but Paizo -- and RPG publishing in general -- has a lot of experience with what does and doesn't sell.
Would you argue that the RPG hobby is still predominantly white and male?
Because I'm pretty sure that everytime I look at videos of Paizo Con or GenCon? There are very, VERY few black folk in the mix. But hey maybe people who actually attend cons can chime in here.
Paizo publish material with gays, lesbians and transgender, not sure how a couple of black gods would sell less.Maybe could be a market if there were black gods.
The reason for that has more to do with money than anything else. If there was a market for a black pantheon, there would be a company willing to produce it.Some players don't necessarily like multi-cultural campaigns either. I had one campaign strongly based on ancient Egypt, and my players were all for it until I started showing off the imagery. I guess they thought it was going to be ancient Egypt but with all white people.
Maybe, but Paizo -- and RPG publishing in general -- has a lot of experience with what does and doesn't sell.
Would you argue that the RPG hobby is still predominantly white and male?
Because I'm pretty sure that everytime I look at videos of Paizo Con or GenCon? There are very, VERY few black folk in the mix. But hey maybe people who actually attend cons can chime in here.
I do not argue against it. But would you argue that RPG hobby is predominantly white and male and heterosexual?
EDIT: I can be wrong, but I would say that the resistance to gay/trans things is higher than to black people.
The percentage of gay lesbian/transgender gamers is higher than the general population and the percentage of African Americans is lower in gamers than the general population?
There is also a big percentage of games that dislike gay/lesbians/trans and still paizo books sells good. I would be surpirsed if people would get more upset by color skin than for gender orientation.
Also, what are the basis for htat statement?
Also unless paizo goes skinimax you can't tell the characters orientation by flipping through the books. Ethnicity is more apparent in the artwork.
Perhaps that way more black people would be attracted to this particular RPG.
There's also the fact that Paizo is pretty well known to be LGBT friendly which reflects that in their material and the makeup of their staff.
I dont think that reflection is there in terms of people of color (black or brown). And for clarifications sake? that is in NO WAY a swipe at Paizo OR their staff. Nor is it a call for them to hire more people of color. If I felt that Paizo was in anyway UNFRIENDLY toward people of color I wouldn't be supporting them the way that I do. AT. ALL.
Hey, what do I know? I only spent several years being told that I was the enemy by my classmates and teachers. If not for the work I'd already put into it, I would have left the degree program in protest of the strong anti-law enforcement bias present. This is a field where this is a valid and reasonable theory: intraracial crime involving blacks is so high because they really want to victimize whites but cannot find any available. (This is called the Horizontal Violence Theory.) This is a field in which cop-killers (Mumia Abu-Jamal, Assata Shakur, Kathy Boudin, to give a few) and terrorists (Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn, to give a few more) are often celebrated.Criminology is a field largely dominated by liberals who are quite critical of law enforcement. It is the furthest thing I can imagine from a favorable audience for law enforcement. But even they recognize that the victim-reported and police-reported number breakdowns correlate quite closely. Even my far-left instructors who were otherwise wildly suspicious of police made that admission.You'll understand if I don't take you at your word at that, officer.
considering you have these individuals placed into neat categories to be trotted out for this argument, I find your words just as suspect as the theory you state.
Maybe, but Paizo -- and RPG publishing in general -- has a lot of experience with what does and doesn't sell.
I agree with your point in principle, but I think that the phrase "representation matters" should apply in our hobby just as much if not more than it does in other things (cinema, television, etc).
There are a ton of black gamers out there who deserve to be represented by just as many gods, cultures, and non-stereotyped npc's as possible. I know that you're not arguing against that, but "What sells" shouldn't necessarily be the only deciding factor, here.
Yes, our hobby is predominated by middle class white suburban nerds. Yes, the primary buyers of these games are those same MCWSN's. But that doesn't mean that the publishers can't "take a chance" and give us a culture based on an Africa that doesn't automatically fall back to the "noble savage" trope. It doesn't mean that we can't have a black Deity or three and not have them be "the outsider" of the bunch.
Personally, I'm sick of the "Let's just lump all the myriad cultures of Africa into one Noble Savage culture while we pay slavish attention to the European and Japanese analogs, because that's what makes us money" habit. I know it's hard to break, but it's got to start somewhere, doesn't it?
I want an Egyptian analog where the people from that culture have dark skin and raise cheetahs as sport animals. I want their rivals to be an analog to the Nubian empire, which spread out over a greater distance and was just as powerful, and built many, many more pyramids than their neighbors to the north. I want an analog of Sumeria and Babylon, with swarthy warrior kings and their beast-men companions building enormous towers of clay and stone as a testament not to the power of their Gods, but to the power of their minds. I want Mystical Pajama Assassins who don't come from a remote set of islands where the Katana is king... or at least, if they do come from such a place, I want to see the expression...
there is an ugly aspect of what sells vs what doesn't. Went through that with kindred of the ivory kingdoms. That said, dark sun sold quite well in its day, and that gives me hope, despite the lily white characters bron drew.
Paizo publish material with gays, lesbians and transgender, not sure how a couple of black gods would sell less.Maybe could be a market if there were black gods.
The reason for that has more to do with money than anything else. If there was a market for a black pantheon, there would be a company willing to produce it.Some players don't necessarily like multi-cultural campaigns either. I had one campaign strongly based on ancient Egypt, and my players were all for it until I started showing off the imagery. I guess they thought it was going to be ancient Egypt but with all white people.
Maybe, but Paizo -- and RPG publishing in general -- has a lot of experience with what does and doesn't sell.
Would you argue that the RPG hobby is still predominantly white and male?
Because I'm pretty sure that everytime I look at videos of Paizo Con or GenCon? There are very, VERY few black folk in the mix. But hey maybe people who actually attend cons can chime in here.
I do not argue against it. But would you argue that RPG hobby is predominantly white and male and heterosexual?
EDIT: I can be wrong, but I would say that the resistance to gay/trans things is higher than to black people.
LOL.
Yeah I would argue that the RPG hobby is predominately white and male. Heterosexual? Yeah probably although these days I think they're more heteroflexible but don't quote me on that.
See I feel the opposite. I think that there is still a huge stigma attached to being black and male in this country. Waaaaaay more so than a resistance to gay/trans. We're pretty much viewed as lazy, violent, criminals (potential if not already criminals) with low intelligence and poor impulse control.
I'm fairly certain that if I walked away from this keyboard and cured cancer? To a fair amount of the population at large in the US, I'd STILL be known as that n*gg*r that cured cancer...
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Here in Brazil we have a RPG setting called Desafio dos Bandeirantes (Challenge of the Bannerman or something alike), it is a fantasy version of colonial Brazil that used the brazilian ethnicies as character races. Literally we had white, indian, black, half-indian, half-black and tri-racial. The blacks had to be slaves or freed-slaves, and despite it, it offered more variable roles and importance to blacks than most USA-made RPGs that don't enforce blacks as slaves but still barelly show them at all.
And i can tell for sure that Brazil is a white country as much as USA is. African-brazilian are a minority, and most are poor as much as in USA. The difference is cultural acception. Most Brazilian accept the black culture as part of mainstream culture, and no one would find strange african cultural elements showing up in fantasy or sci-fy or anything. We are one people, made from 3 roots, European, African and Native American (and the people who came after, like the Asians, are already part of us). It's very hard for me to understand why you reject part of your people not accepting non-white elements in fantasy, but i do. But keeping doing it will only hurt you in the future.
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The percentage of gay lesbian/transgender gamers is higher than the general population and the percentage of African Americans is lower in gamers than the general population?
There is also a big percentage of games that dislike gay/lesbians/trans and still paizo books sells good. I would be surpirsed if people would get more upset by color skin than for gender orientation.
Also, what are the basis for htat statement?
Also unless paizo goes skinimax you can't tell the characters orientation by flipping through the books. Ethnicity is more apparent in the artwork.
Perhaps that way more black people would be attracted to this particular RPG.
There's also the fact that Paizo is pretty well known to be LGBT friendly which reflects that in their material and the makeup of their staff.
I dont think that reflection is there in terms of people of color (black or brown). And for clarifications sake? that is in NO WAY a swipe at Paizo OR their staff. Nor is it a call for them to hire more people of color. If I felt that Paizo was in anyway UNFRIENDLY toward people of color I wouldn't be supporting them the way that I do. AT. ALL.
this reminds me of a debate that came up in the darklight sisterhood game I run. One of the players was upset with the lack of diversity in their hometown, and I replied that the players weren't leaving it often enough. This lead to a weird conversation where she didnt think thst was fair or right, and I was more annoyed that they wanted diversity to come to them as opposed to anything that they did in the world (im a big believer in the pcs affecting the world in subtle ways). I pushed up the timetable for an in game event that resulted in some mwangi who joined an organization called the Free Knights of Isger showing up a bit ahead of schedule and having nothing to do with actions the pcs undertook, but became a part of the game anyway. Maybe its my old school perspective, but I really think that pcs should leave their hometown to discover and interact with the world and encounter diversity that way instead of having it come to them with no input on their part.
I'm fairly certain that if I walked away from this keyboard and cured cancer? To a fair amount of the population at large in the US, I'd STILL be known as that n*gg*r that cured cancer...
I think you're right. Reminds me of one of Chris Rock's stand up shows where he says that he's rich and white people still wouldn't trade places with him. "I'm going to ride this white thing out."
The blacks had to be slaves or freed-slaves, and despite it, it offered more variable roles and importance to blacks than most USA-made RPGs that don't enforce blacks as slaves but still barelly show them at all.
The squeaky wheel gets the grease, as they say. Contact Paizo or any other gaming companies you purchase products from and ask them to feature more black characters in their materials. And ask all of your friends/people that agree with you to do the same.
I'm sure there are some people on the Paizo staff that would like to do so, and there are others that are worried that such a move might affect sales. If they see a lot of influx of people requesting such material, it may justify doing so.
this reminds me of a debate that came up in the darklight sisterhood game I run. One of the players was upset with the lack of diversity in their hometown, and I replied that the players weren't leaving it often enough. This lead to a weird conversation where she didnt think thst was fair or right, and I was more annoyed that they wanted diversity to come to them as opposed to anything that they did in the world (im a big believer in the pcs affecting the world in subtle ways). I pushed up the timetable for an in game event that resulted in some mwangi who joined an organization called the Free Knights of Isger showing up a bit ahead of schedule and having nothing to do with actions the pcs undertook, but became a...
The percentage of gay lesbian/transgender gamers is higher than the general population and the percentage of African Americans is lower in gamers than the general population?
There is also a big percentage of games that dislike gay/lesbians/trans and still paizo books sells good. I would be surpirsed if people would get more upset by color skin than for gender orientation.
Also, what are the basis for htat statement?
Also unless paizo goes skinimax you can't tell the characters orientation by flipping through the books. Ethnicity is more apparent in the artwork.
Perhaps that way more black people would be attracted to this particular RPG.
There's also the fact that Paizo is pretty well known to be LGBT friendly which reflects that in their material and the makeup of their staff.
I dont think that reflection is there in terms of people of color (black or brown). And for clarifications sake? that is in NO WAY a swipe at Paizo OR their staff. Nor is it a call for them to hire more people of color. If I felt that Paizo was in anyway UNFRIENDLY toward people of color I wouldn't be supporting them the way that I do. AT. ALL.
Yeah I agree. and thematically in most stories especially fantasy or adventure novels isnt that how it usually plays out?
I'm thinking luke leaving the outskirts of Tatooine and venturing into Mos Isley Cantina for the first time, yeah?
...this reminds me of a debate that came up in the darklight sisterhood game I run. One of the players was upset with the lack of diversity in their hometown, and I replied that the players weren't leaving it often enough. This lead to a weird conversation where she didnt think thst was fair or right, and I was more annoyed that they wanted diversity to come to them as opposed to anything that they did in the world (im a big believer in the pcs affecting the world in subtle ways). I pushed up the timetable for an in game event that resulted in some mwangi who joined an organization called the Free Knights of Isger showing up a bit ahead of schedule and having nothing to do with actions the
The percentage of gay lesbian/transgender gamers is higher than the general population and the percentage of African Americans is lower in gamers than the general population?
There is also a big percentage of games that dislike gay/lesbians/trans and still paizo books sells good. I would be surpirsed if people would get more upset by color skin than for gender orientation.
Also, what are the basis for htat statement?
Also unless paizo goes skinimax you can't tell the characters orientation by flipping through the books. Ethnicity is more apparent in the artwork.
Perhaps that way more black people would be attracted to this particular RPG.
There's also the fact that Paizo is pretty well known to be LGBT friendly which reflects that in their material and the makeup of their staff.
I dont think that reflection is there in terms of people of color (black or brown). And for clarifications sake? that is in NO WAY a swipe at Paizo OR their staff. Nor is it a call for them to hire more people of color. If I felt that Paizo was in anyway UNFRIENDLY toward people of color I wouldn't be supporting them the way that I do. AT. ALL.
to be fair to her, the game is based out of egorian, capital of cheliax. Its hardly a backwater, and they have a thriving outlander quarter so she had a damn good point about not seeing more non white human faces there. But I still wanted things to happen as a result of what the party did, including increased diversity.
LOL.
Yeah I would argue that the RPG hobby is predominately white and male. Heterosexual? Yeah probably although these days I think they're more heteroflexible but don't quote me on that.
See I feel the opposite. I think that there is still a huge stigma attached to being black and male in this country. Waaaaaay more so than a resistance to gay/trans. We're pretty much viewed as lazy, violent, criminals (potential if not already criminals) with low intelligence and poor impulse control.
I'm fairly certain that if I walked away from this keyboard and cured cancer? To a fair amount of the population at large in the US, I'd STILL be known as that n*gg*r that cured cancer...
Well, I have no idea what is the real state of this Issue in the US, but as I said I would be surprised if gay males were more accepted than hterosexual black males (not because there is something wrong with gays or anyhting)
It's definitely changing faster. If it's not true now, it will be very soon.Well, I have no idea what is the real state of this Issue in the US, but as I said I would be surprised if gay males were more accepted than heterosexual black males (not because there is something wrong with gays or anyhting)LOL.
Yeah I would argue that the RPG hobby is predominately white and male. Heterosexual? Yeah probably although these days I think they're more heteroflexible but don't quote me on that.
See I feel the opposite. I think that there is still a huge stigma attached to being black and male in this country. Waaaaaay more so than a resistance to gay/trans. We're pretty much viewed as lazy, violent, criminals (potential if not already criminals) with low intelligence and poor impulse control.
I'm fairly certain that if I walked away from this keyboard and cured cancer? To a fair amount of the population at large in the US, I'd STILL be known as that n*gg*r that cured cancer...
Not sure what you mean, what is changing fast?
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I'm sure there are some people on the Paizo staff that would like to do so, and there are others that are worried that such a move might affect sales. If they see a lot of influx of people requesting such material, it may justify doing so.
Paizo's is way better than what were before. I remember questioning settings with lions and elephants in the monster manual, but no Africa's stand-in region or even a black ethnocity.
They made a huge mistake in Serpent's Skull art, and all Alkenstar art before Warden of Reborn Forge (almost no dark skinned NPCs in regions where they should be majorities), but i guess these were inercial mistakes. But i really miss dark-skinned good outsiders or empyrial lords. I guess Shinhakkaider is right, maybe the problem is there is few or no Paizo's employees that understand African culture enough to do a good job on that. They have people with hispanic sounding names so maybe they would do a better job with Arcadia.
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Not sure what you mean, what is changing fast?It's definitely changing faster. If it's not true now, it will be very soon.Well, I have no idea what is the real state of this Issue in the US, but as I said I would be surprised if gay males were more accepted than heterosexual black males (not because there is something wrong with gays or anyhting)LOL.
Yeah I would argue that the RPG hobby is predominately white and male. Heterosexual? Yeah probably although these days I think they're more heteroflexible but don't quote me on that.
See I feel the opposite. I think that there is still a huge stigma attached to being black and male in this country. Waaaaaay more so than a resistance to gay/trans. We're pretty much viewed as lazy, violent, criminals (potential if not already criminals) with low intelligence and poor impulse control.
I'm fairly certain that if I walked away from this keyboard and cured cancer? To a fair amount of the population at large in the US, I'd STILL be known as that n*gg*r that cured cancer...
Not to speak for Jeff but I think what he's alluding to is that the fight for equality for our LGBT population is progressing way faster than the fight for civil rights for people of color ever did. And it makes total sense.
You can be white and very easily have someone who is LGBT in your life in some form. A close friend or more specifically a relative whether it be a son, a mother, a father, a brother, a sister or an uncle or aunt or cousin. That relation has a chance for a person to empathize with the "other" so to speak.
Not so much with black or brown people here I'm afraid.
I personally know more gamers who are transitioning than are non-white, not to mention the dozen or so who do not consider themselves straight. I would not be surprised if it is highly region or game dependent. But, in my gaming circles, alternative lifestyles (LBGT, poly, kink) are the norm, to the point of being a straight, monogamous person can feel like an anomaly.
That'd be one of my gaming groups. I'm technically the "odd man out" being the hetero monogamous WASP. But, it's not like I'm oppressed by the others. The tie that binds in this case is the gaming, and we're friends. No big.
considering you have these individuals placed into neat categories to be trotted out for this argument, I find your words just as suspect as the theory you state.
Hey, what do I know? I only spent several years being told that I was the enemy by my classmates and teachers. If not for the work I'd already put into it, I would have left the degree program in protest of the strong anti-law enforcement bias present. This is a field where this is a valid and reasonable theory: intraracial crime involving blacks is so high because they really want to victimize whites but cannot find any available. (This is called the Horizontal Violence Theory.) This is a field in which cop-killers (Mumia Abu-Jamal, Assata Shakur, Kathy Boudin, to give a few) and terrorists (Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn, to give a few more) are often celebrated.
What? The three above are all convicted cop killers, and the others are known members of the Weather Underground, an organization that fits every single criteria of a terrorist group. It's indisputable that this is the case. Perhaps you don't trust my word, but I saw several of my instructors - published authors - support and defend them.
If you don't believe my original point, please do your own research. Buy a criminology textbook. You will absolutely find that the debate has long moved from whether blacks are disproportionately represented in criminal activity* to why this is the case. Compare the UCR numbers to the NCVS numbers. You will also find a general hostility towards the police and the justice system.
*This is not saying that individual blacks are prone to committing crimes.
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I have no general opinion about being black and nerdy, or about grits (despite being a native Southerner).
or about grits (despite being a native Southerner).
*DOESNOTCOMPUTEDOESNOTCOMPUTEDOESNOTCOMPUTE*
*HeadSplode*
considering you have these individuals placed into neat categories to be trotted out for this argument, I find your words just as suspect as the theory you state.
Hey, what do I know? I only spent several years being told that I was the enemy by my classmates and teachers. If not for the work I'd already put into it, I would have left the degree program in protest of the strong anti-law enforcement bias present. This is a field where this is a valid and reasonable theory: intraracial crime involving blacks is so high because they really want to victimize whites but cannot find any available. (This is called the Horizontal Violence Theory.) This is a field in which cop-killers (Mumia Abu-Jamal, Assata Shakur, Kathy Boudin, to give a few) and terrorists (Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn, to give a few more) are often celebrated.What? The three above are all convicted cop killers, and the others are known members of the Weather Underground, an organization that fits every single criteria of a terrorist group. It's indisputable that this is the case. Perhaps you don't trust my word, but I saw several of my instructors - published authors - support and defend them.
If you don't believe my original point, please do your own research. Buy a criminology textbook. You will absolutely find that the debate has long moved from whether blacks are disproportionately represented in criminal activity* to why this is the case. Compare the UCR numbers to the NCVS numbers. You will also find a general hostility towards the police and the justice system.
*This is not saying that individual blacks are prone to committing crimes.
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I have no general opinion about being black and nerdy, or about grits (despite being a native Southerner).
barcas, I was born at night, not last night. Those names are quite old, as are the cases they are attached to, and they are often trumpeted by cops in conversations similar to this one when attempting to make points regarding whatever they're talking about in an attempt to silence criticism.
I can do it too, see? Amadou Diallo. Sean Bell. Abner Louima. Proof that all cops are evil and abuse their power regularly.
Moreover, your lack of opinions on black nerdiness makes me wonder just what you are doing in this thread.
Free Mumia! Hands off Assata! All of the Weathermen got off because the judge threw the cases out due to FBI misconduct!
Can we please not turn this thread into a cop debate. We have had that in other threads, and it hasn't ended well. We can always start a new one to discuss it, but it does not help the disscussion of inclusiveness in gaming.
Well enough.
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DM Barcas where are you from? I had a delightful conversation in Atlanta at 3am after the festival one night with some folks from Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee, and North Carolina. They didn't agree on everything but one thing they definitely were unanimous about was that Texas and further west was not to be considered "the south."
I'm fairly certain that if I walked away from this keyboard and cured cancer? To a fair amount of the population at large in the US, I'd STILL be known as that n*gg*r that cured cancer...
There is an amount of folks angry about the president because he is black. Mostly they would say things like the above because they are powerless to change the situation. They are pretty much ignorant and a waste of time to worry about. Another problem is how blacks would see one of their own succeed with something like becoming prez. Most people of any color would hold such a person in high regard. However, a lot of people would try and discredit with claims of "uncle tom" and other terrible labels. These ways a re deep rooted and hard to combat but hopefully with each generation become more and more irrelevant.
As someone from Texas I can tell you that Texans self-identify as "Southerners" more than being from "The South." If that distinction flys over your head, don't worry, it's intentional. Texans like to think of ourselves as something unique. Southern / independent / frontiersmen / prolly some other bs too.
For the most part it us safer to just ignore what we have to say unless it directly involves you.
There is also a big percentage of games that dislike gay/lesbians/trans and still paizo books sells good. I would be surprised if people would get more upset by color skin than for gender orientation.
Also, what are the basis for that statement?
A small sample size perhaps but between a few groups of gamers, conventions and the paizo staff it seems to be a little more prevalent in gamers than non (hence the ? there)
Perhaps that way more black people would be attracted to this particular RPG.
I think its an uphill battle.
I mean playing D&D will get you picked on by white kids. (at least until the third time you stuff one of them into a trashcan) I understand its worse with black kids.
Most fantasy tropes come with a medieval europe flavor/background to them: kanigits, castles, lords, the foibles of feudalism that doesn't resonate as well with people who come from different backgrounds.
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Most fantasy tropes come with a medieval europe flavor/background to them: kanigits, castles, lords, the foibles of feudalism that doesn't resonate as well with people who come from different backgrounds.
The japonese adapted very well to fantasy tropes, as much as we adapted to their tropes. When i was a kid, the super sentai (the show power rangers were based) was on brazilian tv. They were only dubbed and we watched the original footage with japonese actors. We could still relate to them because we are all humans, values like family, honor, courage etc.. exists in all cultures. Actually i guess every culture can understand concepts like a king, a fortress, a fight against monsters etc... All cultures have their fantasy tropes.
Most fantasy tropes come with a medieval europe flavor/background to them: kanigits, castles, lords, the foibles of feudalism that doesn't resonate as well with people who come from different backgrounds.The Japanese adapted very well to fantasy tropes, as much as we adapted to their tropes. When i was a kid, the super sentai (the show power rangers were based) was on brazilian tv. They were only dubbed and we watched the original footage with japonese actors. We could still relate to them because we are all humans, values like family, honor, courage etc.. exists in all cultures. Actually i guess every culture can understand concepts like a king, a fortress, a fight against monsters etc... All cultures have their fantasy tropes.
British and japanese work so well because they're rather similar. They're both small island nations with a feudal hierarchy with a professional, inherited warrior caste sporting some really expensive gear. (I don't know much about Japanese castles though. One of the voices in my head is telling me that at some points there were laws against walls)
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We could still relate to them because we are all humans, values like family, honor, courage etc.. exists in all cultures.
They do, but you have to be able to empathize with who you're watching. The messages we receive in the US are much different than what is received else where (at least IMO.) We are told by our leaders that we are the greatest country in the world. How do you think that makes the average American view foreign countries?
With our interventionist foreign policy, we've had clashes and scrapes with most cultures/peoples in the world. Each time we've been told that we were doing a good thing. If we're the good guys in the conflict, guess who the bad guys are?
We've been brought up on an attitude of might makes right, and if you don't agree, let's fight.
Frankly, I'm surprised that we're not worse than we are.
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They do, but you have to be able to empathize with who you're watching. The messages we receive in the US are much different than what is received else where (at least IMO.) We are told by our leaders that we are the greatest country in the world. How do you think that makes the average American view foreign countries?
You are right. We are told that Brazil is the happiest country in the world (so we party all the time) and the luckiest country in the world blessed by god himself (hence we don't need to work, we have all the natural resources we need, our climate is good, no earthquakes, volcanos or natural disasters, and no one want to conquest us or consider Brazil an enemy [except Canada, we fight for the friendliest country ever place].
Isnt there a problem with racism being aggressively ignored in brasil?
Isnt there a problem with racism being aggressively ignored in brasil?
I've a friend in Brasil who is both a woman and a lawyer, and based on what she tells me, both racism and sexism are actively given the "Can't see it through all this denial I'm doing" treatment. :(
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Isnt there a problem with racism being aggressively ignored in brasil?
There is racism, and a lot. But is a different form of racism than US one. There were never a one drop rule here, so people are considered black or white only by skin color. Its perfectly normal for a sibling be considered black and the other one be considered white if he is light skinned enough. So black people are divided, each layer of blackness consider themselves better than the darker one. But is pretty common to have all your family be mixed race, so there is racism, but there isn't much hate because everyone have a black cousin out there.
African culture and values are wide accepted to the point to be worshiped among "whites" as mainstream, but many people hide their afican ancestry. Black men are considered ugly, but black women are considered trophy wives. Black people sometimes ace throught public colleges, but we still find black lawyer uncommon.I don't consider myself black, i am mixed race and i consider more native south american than black. But i do look black by brazilian standards and my family look white (i am not adopted) and have white culture. So i never really faced racism, maybe if i go to the southern statates i might face some.
The problem i see is that people are copying the anti-racist manners of USA. I don't think it would work here, because we would have to define who is black and who is not. This would schism brazilian population in half and do a lot more damage than it would heal.