Population of settlements according to Kingdom rules

[Stephen Ede]

I'm running the Kingmaker campaign and my players have started looking at there population. The problem I have is that the Kingdom rules talk about each lot representing roughly 250 population. Which sounds fine, but then then everything I can find in Kingmaker and other rules where a settlement population is given the populations are wildly low in comparison. 1 settlement is given a population of less than 200 when it has about a dozen lots filled (3000 pop).

Also if you look at the published details of Golarion things don't really make sense. Kingdoms have vastly lower populations that what players can get if they really work at it.

Obviously something is completely screwy here.
Does anyone no if there has been anything that has been published to correct things?

[Chemlak]

Ultimate Rulership by Legendary Games.

[Stephen Ede]

Chemlak wrote:

Ultimate Rulership by Legendary Games.

So you've actually read Ultimate Rulership?

I run on a very limited budget so want to be sure it covers what I want before I buy.

[Chemlak]

Own it, read it, will be providing an updated kingdom tracking spreadsheet using the new rules from it. Also, love it.

URule presents an alternative means of calculating population, starting with a base population determined by the hex terrain type, further modified by the size of the settlement in the hex. It tends to yield lower population numbers than UCam (by quite a hefty margin, from memory), and should be just what you're looking for. Furthermore, it's an expansion to the UCam kingdom rules written by the guy who wrote the kingdom rules in UCam (before Sean K Reynolds did a design pass on them, at least), and includes loads of alternative and/or additional rules to make running a kingdom more detailed and realistic. IMO it's a must-have product for any serious kingdom-building game.

(I wonder if I can pin Jason Nelson down for a cut of his marketing budget... :p)

[Stephen Ede]

Sold.

I will say Kingdom Maker is the best campaign that Pathfionder has produced IMHO.
Running 2 campaigns through it. Both weird and wonderful in their own waves, contributed to by my allowance of monsterous PC, to the extent that amongst the 9 PC's only 1 is a Humanoid. :D
3 Native Outsiders, 2 Dragons, 2 Fey, 1 Magical Beast and a Gnome in a pear tree, :-)

[Ascalaphus]

I leafed through Ultimate Rulership and I liked it. It fills in some rough spots left by UCamp.