Outsider Attacks and DR / Alignment.

[Millefune]

Going through the Celestials and Fiends, I noticed that Demons' attacks count as Chaotic and Evil, and Devils' attacks count as Lawful and Evil. On the Celestial side, however, Azatas' attacks don't count as Chaotic and Good, and Archons' attacks don't count as Lawful and Good... not even Angels' attacks count as Good.

So when Celestials clash with Fiends, the Fiends pretty much can tear through the Celestials' DR, while the poor Celestials have to deal with their attacks not inflicting as much damage, since they can't naturally bypass the DR.

What's up with the unfair treatment? Am I missing something?

[ryric]

You are:

PRD wrote:

A creature with an alignment subtype (chaotic, evil, good, or lawful) can overcome this type of damage reduction with its natural weapons and weapons it wields as if the weapons or natural weapons had an alignment (or alignments) that matched the subtype(s) of the creature.

From the Bestiary entry on damage reduction.

[Nefreet]

It's the Demons and Devils that have trouble tearing each other up, not the forces of good vs evil.

Which is ironic, considering their eternal blood feud.

[Mechagamera]

Nefreet wrote:

It's the Demons and Devils that have trouble tearing each other up, not the forces of good vs evil.

Which is ironic, considering their eternal blood feud.

It does explain why the feud has gone on for so long, though.....

[Millefune]

ryric wrote:

You are:

PRD wrote:

A creature with an alignment subtype (chaotic, evil, good, or lawful) can overcome this type of damage reduction with its natural weapons and weapons it wields as if the weapons or natural weapons had an alignment (or alignments) that matched the subtype(s) of the creature.

From the Bestiary entry on damage reduction.

Thanks. I remembered seeing that, but couldn't find it. It didn't help that at the PFSRD site, it specifically states "they count as X and Y for overcoming..." in the Demon and Devil entries... so I thought they would be in the respective celestial entries as well. got lost/misdirected. I appreciate you finding it for me.

[Staffan Johansson]

Note that attacks counting as having an alignment is based on subtype, not actual alignment. An efreet is Lawful Evil, but neither [Lawful] nor [Evil], so they do not have any particular ability to beat up on celestials.