Are Clerics of Apsu PFS legal?

[BigNorseWolf]

Apsu is listed as a legal deity in the inner sea world guide.

Faiths of purity says that he doesn't have human followers.

But James Jacobs has said repeatedly that faiths and purities is in error.

He does indeed grant spells. He's no different than any other deity in that regard.

The bit about him not granting spells was a complete and total error that slipped through to print.

That's a complete error. Apsu grants spells. His domains are even listed in the Inner Sea World Guide (although there's an unfortunate error there)...

His domains granted area Artifice, Good, Law, Scalykind, and Travel.

In fact, the fact that Apsu can grant spells is one of the reasons I devoted one of the two new domains introduced in that book to Scalykind.

Apsu, in other words, grants spells SO HARD that I had to write new rules for granting spells.

There are humanoid paladins of Apsu (and if you read the question, it specifically addresses the "he only gives spells to dragons argument Linky

The line that says "...except cleric or paladin, for Apsu does not grant spells..." should be blotted out with a big thick black pen. I recommend a sharpie, since that stuff covers up anything.

It's a strange error

I honestly can't say why that line got in there, to tell the truth. It sneaked by the developers, who probably should have scrubbed it from the book. Things like that get by now and then.

[Dylos]

Even if the line were there intentionally and true in golarion, it does not hold up in pfs, for one some players may just have the inner sea world guide which says he's legal. The text saying he does not grant spells is not part of the additional resources.

[LazarX]

Dylos wrote:

Even if the line were there intentionally and true in golarion, it does not hold up in pfs, for one some players may just have the inner sea world guide which says he's legal. The text saying he does not grant spells is not part of the additional resources.

He'd need the guide anyway in order to use the material.

[Dylos]

LazarX wrote:

Dylos wrote:

Even if the line were there intentionally and true in golarion, it does not hold up in pfs, for one some players may just have the inner sea world guide which says he's legal. The text saying he does not grant spells is not part of the additional resources.

He'd need the guide anyway in order to use the material.

Right, because Faiths of Purity doesn't grant any gods as legal, even more reason why the text in question is not part of the additional resources.

[Nefreet]

I just called this out in another thread recently, but the prohibition on Clerics of Apsu, just like the prohibition on Paladins of Irori, or Human Paladins of Torag, is not legal (or enforceable) in Society.

[LazarX]

Nefreet wrote:

I just called this out in another thread recently, but the prohibition on Clerics of Apsu, just like the prohibition on Paladins of Irori, or Human Paladins of Torag, is not legal (or enforceable) in Society.

Although one would hope that players respect the setting enough to limit somewhat their cornering of settings background and not make every character a contrarian case. NPC reactions will be appropriate if you represent yourself as a cleric of a god that hardly any of them will have heard of. (since most NPC's don't read either Religions of Purity, nor these messageboards).

[FLite]

I love the looks I get when PCs figure out that my druid worships Groetus. Once the players find out who Groetus is, at least.

(I have started to consider playing him an ongoing exercise in the continuing education of the player base.)

Besides, "May the full moon shine upon you" is an awesomely confusing warcry.

[mcruggiero]

BigNorseWolf wrote:

Apsu, in other words, grants spells SO HARD that I had to write new rules for granting spells.

So, yes, Apsu does grant spells. But it is going to hurt when you cast them.

[Blackwolfe]

I believe there is a bloodline or race trait called 'Blood of Dragons' in the Ultimate Campaign book. Could always use that as reason for following Apsu.

[BigNorseWolf]

Blackwolfe wrote:

I believe there is a bloodline or race trait called 'Blood of Dragons' in the Ultimate Campaign book. Could always use that as reason for following Apsu.

In my case the character concept was "Hermean travel agent" (I'm making up brochures) and the next character concept on my list was "mystic theurge" so...

[TheFlyingPhoton]

Nefreet wrote:

I just called this out in another thread recently, but the prohibition on Clerics of Apsu, just like the prohibition on Paladins of Irori, or Human Paladins of Torag, is not legal (or enforceable) in Society.

I built a character around one of those rules in mind.

I have a Gnome that I decided was raised by Dwarves, and wanted to be a Paladin of Torag SO BAD. Since no non-Dwarves have ever gone to Torag's Paladin boot camp, when he showed up, they didn't know what to do with him; their reactions were along the lines of "We've never dealt with these kinds of race questions before, so please just go away so we don't have to."
So he's mechanically a fighter, I RP him as a Paladin, and I gave him the "Principled" trait and went for a Bodyguard/In Harm's Way/Antagonize/tank build.

[Chris Mortika]

That's really cool, Flying Photon. You found a mechanically strait-forward way to express an in-character background decision.