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You could, as a Fighter, or Barbarian, without multiclassing, hide from Blindsense, Blindsense, Scent, Tremorsense, in Darkness, Dimlight, Normal Light, and Bright Light, without cover, concealment, and whilst being observed. Also, disable magic traps.You are talking about 3rd party feats and the Trapfinder trait right? Could you elaborate?
No 3rd party.
Yes, the Trapfinder trait, or a few Wands.
You could, as a Fighter, or Barbarian, without multiclassing, hide from Blindsense, Blindsense, Scent, Tremorsense, in Darkness, Dimlight, Normal Light, and Bright Light, without cover, concealment, and whilst being observed. Also, disable magic traps.You are talking about 3rd party feats and the Trapfinder trait right? Could you elaborate?No 3rd party.
Yes, the Trapfinder trait, or a few Wands.
If you are doing this as a Fighter or Barb, without multiclassing then I am assuming you are doing this through Feats and Items:
1. Boots of the Soft Step
2. Conceal Scent Feat
3. Incense of Dulled Senses
4. Dampen Presence Feat
5. Noxious Aromatic
6. Scent Cloak
7. Beast Scent
8. Beast Lure
9. Musk, Kaava
These are some things I know of that can be used to throw off Blindsight, Blindsense, Tremorsense, and Scent. And I know you can use the Improved Eldritch Heritage (Shadow) and Hellcat Stealth feats to gain HiPS in all light levels. Is that all you are talking about?
Those are many of them, yes.
It is merely to note, that Stealth is not something the Rogue has any kind of monopoly on.
Even non-casters can pull it off.
Very well, if invested, and whilst still maintaining a viable combat presence, that does not rely on tricks, combos, or flanking.
Of course, like I said, Rogue isn't the only thing that can be Stealthy. If we were talking Skill Ranks alone the Sorcerer with Shadow Bloodline, Ranger, and Clerics with Night sub-domain are naturally better at Stealth than your typical Rogue. Probably Bards too, and a few other classes might be with Archetypes. Yes, a Fighter could be just as Stealthy as a Rogue, probably even more so than some Rogues. However, six feats, 15 Charisma, and probably a trait or two is no small investment, especially not for a Barbarian. On the other hand, build a Chameleon Rogue with a much smaller, more versatile investment and two, maybe three, HiPS Advanced Rogue Talents, and that Rogue should be beating everyone at Stealth. Even without the Chameleon Archetype there are still Terrain Mastery, HiPS, and Skill Mastery. There several methods for the Rogue to be the best at Stealth, and it generally requires a much smaller investment.
He wants to either go TWF, or 1-handed rogue. (pushing swashbuckler hard here but.. he LIKES the rogue talents..)
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If he wants something weird/special consider suggesting eldritch heritage for one of the odd bloodlines instead of the rogue talents. He already has the charisma for it.
Checkmate barbars.
A while back I had actually wondered if it would be RAW legal to do a similar thing with the Bane Baldric. In that case I don't think it's legit though due to the specifics of the wording:
If the wearer IS an inquisitor, she is treated as five levels higher when using her bane and greater bane abilities. If the wearer IS NOT an inquisitor, she gains the bane ability of a 5th-level inquisitor...
Checkmate barbars.
A while back I had actually wondered if it would be RAW legal to do a similar thing with the Bane Baldric. In that case I don't think it's legit though due to the specifics of the wording:
If the wearer IS an inquisitor, she is treated as five levels higher when using her bane and greater bane abilities. If the wearer IS NOT an inquisitor, she gains the bane ability of a 5th-level inquisitor...
Unfortunately the wording of that ability is as such, "she is treated as 5 levels higher when using her bane and greater bane abilities". This means the item doesn't grant the ability, it only improves it when the ability is used. So a rogue can emulate the class feature, then her bane abilities are treated 5 levels higher when she uses them. But the item did not grant her uses of bane. Now if the item said that the wearer treats their bane abilities as five levels higher, then that would give a rogue the ability to use bane and greater bane. Because the item then is granting the ability without being contingent upon use.
Thing like this are only pseudo-rules legal (as in allowing it is a legal interpretation, but so is not allowing it), so the wording of each individual item is very important when determining a possible interpretation of it's effect.