protests against this action in Russia
Yep.There was.One.In Moscow.Seen it with my own eyes.
About...well....300? people.Of which about a hundred was arrested.In 10+mil Moscow...300-500 people is kinda...irrelevant.Also NO-ONE!!! had the brains to actually request autorization for that.Which most likely would have prevented those arrests.But where's publicity in that?
Oh,well.
but is it the people that matter to Putin or the elites?
Nope.
Public support is.Combination of right opponent and some kicks here and there and the man can actually lose 2018.But allies is more fun!You see,substantial part of Russia's economy is based offshore for tax evasion and some stuff i know nothing about.
What i DO know is that deoffshorization of economics is pretty high on priority list.
As is return of capitals home.
So any freezes of assets will trigger run of all that remains abroad home,which is exactly what the man wants.
I start to think that he watched Gargoyles.
reading about the terms of the referendum... nice stacked deck there.
"Either i win or you lose"
Of course,it doesn't matter in the slightest.What matters is the MAD dollarz russians will bring to Crimea.
Vote buying still works!Not direct buying,of course.That would be silly.
Just the fact that pensions in russia is something like 3x of Ukraine brings almost all 50+aged people on the side of joining RF.
conquered
What?
Oh no! don't take away america's SOCCER! Or throw me in the briar patch...
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Funny, considering that the states pretty much produce 90% of oil they need. If not more.
Had to correct this.
Production: 11.11 million barrels per day
Consumption: 18.49 million barrels per day
The US produces 60% of it's oil consumption.
Funny, considering that the states pretty much produce 90% of oil they need. If not more.Had to correct this.
Production: 11.11 million barrels per day
Consumption: 18.49 million barrels per dayThe US produces 60% of it's oil consumption.
How about when you include canada, our 51st state?
It's football.Oh no! don't take away america's SOCCER! Or throw me in the briar patch...
If it was football we might care.
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How about when you include canada, our 51st state?Funny, considering that the states pretty much produce 90% of oil they need. If not more.Had to correct this.
Production: 11.11 million barrels per day
Consumption: 18.49 million barrels per dayThe US produces 60% of it's oil consumption.
Now dont be silly...the gulf of Mexico is the fifty first state.
This will escalate into Russia providing nukes to Arab states...mark my words.
To accomplish what?
You can easily track nuke back to its manufacturer.Especially AFTER it's been detonated.
As if that'd matter. Once they're detonated, we're all going to die.
As if that'd matter. Once they're detonated, we're all going to die.
Nope.First it will be tracked back to russians and THEN we are all going to die.Exept maybe Moscow,because A-135.
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This will escalate into Russia providing nukes to Arab states...mark my words.To accomplish what?
You can easily track nuke back to its manufacturer.Especially AFTER it's been detonated.
Because peeing on each other is the fasion of the year. Usa breaks up USSR and isolates russia. Russia gives nukes to Arab states.
Because peeing on each other is the fasion of the year. Usa breaks up USSR and isolates russia. Russia gives nukes to Arab states.
Selling modern SAM and ASM batteries accomplishes same thing with substantially better profits.Also,without any kind of backlash.
Nukes,when you have the infrastructure,are cheap.Why give arabs the nukes when you can sell them nuclear power plants?:)
I'm just surprised it's not a trillion nukes.
After Ukrainian officials talking about nuclear rearmament(in a span of months,no less) that's not so bad.
I'm just surprised it's not a trillion nukes.After Ukrainian officials talking about nuclear rearmament(in a span of months,no less) that's not so bad.
Which they have every right to do, since russia violated the agreement where they gave up their nukes in the first place.
Which they have every right to do, since russia violated the agreement where they gave up their nukes in the first place.
That's debatable.
True problem is,they have no nuclear program,no infrastructure,no delivery systems and no money.And everybody knows that!
Saddam had,like,15? years to obtain nukes,and he didn't succeed.
That's debatable.
Which they have every right to do, since russia violated the agreement where they gave up their nukes in the first place.
No. No it is not.
You can argue against it. You can make the sounds and write the words "no" but there is no genuine debate that Russia grossly violated the treaty.
the treaty.
There is no treaty.It was never ratified.
Legally null and void.And yes,getting rid of nuclear weapons before ratification was actually really stupid.
Politics is what you can get away with....
Politics is what you can get away with....
Yep.Even in that treaty there was self-defence clause which you can spin.
And without it to bind....anyone,russians are trying to spin Kosovo precedent.Which is kinda ironic.But,at least bombing Ukraine to stone age was not required.
Fact is after Kosovo, Iraq, and Afghanistan, the Russians do have to whole "don't you dare poke fingers!" after all invading a russian speaking border port, is certainly more in the Russian domestic sphere of interest than say invading Iraq was...
-Not that it makes it better, but realpolitik and all...
invading
You literally cannot compare Iraq and Crimea.Not a single shot was fired in anger.And the only ship sunk was russian(because scuttling one decommissioned cruiser to obtain like 10 ship as loot is efficient).
Georgia campaign,yes.There was at least some military action,and something was accomplished military.Also tons of loot!
Well, at least they had wine...
Well, at least they had wine...
They had a few NATO trucks with C&C equipment.That's faaar more important.
Not for me, I spent enough time in Mother Russia to enjoy my Georgian Wines, though I liked the Moldovan ones too.
In Iraq a large coalition of nations deposed a ruthless dictator
Who was then executed for causing like 150 deaths.
attempted to put in place a representative democracy
Causing direct deaths upwards from 10k,and indirect second only to iran-iraq wars of eighties.
And the US never attempted to annex Iraq.
Iraq never formally requested to join US.
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USA has ukrainian billionaire arrested in Austria because he is a supporter of Ukraine siding with Russia. link
China, Russia, and other unpopular countries have repeatedly compared American action abroad as violation of international law. Not my opinion, but theirs. This is not to say I support their spin, but they are two of the big 5.
A "formal request" to join a country while that country's troops are patrolling your streets is suspect at best.
Where's the resistance?
Because,you see,in Chechnya there was resistance,and it was not even independent.Let's say referendum fails.What then?They will gun down parliament?
The ONLY thing on the russia's side here is that whole situation looks like will of Crimea's people.
Otherwise,that's an invasion,and NO-ONE back home will support invasion of Ukraine.
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A "formal request" to join a country while that country's troops are patrolling your streets is suspect at best.
Where's the resistance?
Because,you see,in Chechnya there was resistance,and it was not even independent.
Let's say referendum fails.What then?They will gun down parliament?
The ONLY thing on the russia's side here is that whole situation looks like will of Crimea's people.
Otherwise,that's an invasion,and NO-ONE back home will support invasion of Ukraine.
Pro russian government have a two question referendum.
Pro russian government have a two question referendum.
I know.Second is"return to 1992 constitution and remain as part of Ukraine".So no annexation.
Ukraine and the west: hot air and hypocrisy
Speaking of Mad Russian dollarz:
Exposed: CIA, NATO and NGOs created the Ukrainian crisis sez Kucinich.
And, finally, the new issue of Izvestiya came, and I'm all like, wow, I guess it wasn't a no-brainer:
Ukraine Coup: Spearheaded by Fascists, Backed by U.S./EU Imperialists: Crimea Is Russian
I'm not exactly sure about their position; I don't see how Marxists can pin their line on whether or not Sexy Putin respects the national rights of the Crimean Tatars (which I wouldn't count on), but I have to admit that I didn't know the Crimeans held a referendum in 1991 to rejoin Russia and it was ignored by the new Ukrainian government. A quick google search can't find two articles that say that same thing, but this one from the The Journal of Turkish Weekly claims that "Upon the decision to hold referendum to vote on the independence of Crimea, Ukrainian authorities abolished the Crimean constitution and presidency in March 1995. This was the first harsh reaction by Ukraine over pro-Russians in Crimea after the dissolution of the Soviet Republic."
Well, I'm still sticking with Russia Out! for now, but, as an American communist, my first duty is opposition to the bloody American imperialists whether they are wimps or not* and, I have to say, that post about how you literally can't compare Iraq with Crimea because in the former there was a coalition in accordance with international law to bring about representative democracy makes me want to puke.
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*"Turns out I'm really good at killing people" when they are 16-year-old boys or attending tribal weddings. Reminds me of that scene in Slaughterhouse-Five where the German soldier mocks Billy Pilgrim and his fellow POWs who are so good at fighting their "nxxxxx wars."
representative democracy
Wasn't Soviet Union a representative democracy?
I am starting to think that democracy is only democracy when NATO decides so.
representative democracyWasn't Soviet Union a representative democracy?
Not imho, but it wasn't your post that was making me vomit.