Fairies of Cheliax


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Is there any discussion in any of the official products of the presence of the Fae in Cheliax? A lot of the late medieval and later stories of the fae have them tied by an agreement to Hell, and having a presence in Cheliax seems potentially useful.

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Sounds like an awesome prompt for an article in the upcoming Wayfinder about Cheliax!


There are fey in Cheliax, much like anywhere else. As far as I know there are no deals between Hell and the First World or any kind of fey on Golarion. It wouldn't make sense anyway, because fey are inherently chaotic, and devils abhor chaos.

Don't conflate real-world stories with Pathfinder mythology too much. In Christian mythology, Hell stands for chaos, not order.


Fey are not inherently chaotic since fey can be any alignment they just tend to be chaotic of neutral though there are lawful types.


I think certain areas of golarion the seperation with the first world is not as strong as it is in other places. these spots have had more information provided ont he fae connections. The only two locaions i can think of are Andora, and i think the land of the linnorm kings. I am sure there are others.

However, the fae can really be prominent anywhere the DM wants them to be its not like the connection to the first world cant suddenly become stronger and then 'bam' lots of fae as the dm needs for their story.

As the others have said though they are not inherently chaotic although alot of them are. There also seems to be some lore stuff supporting seelie/unseelie alignment shifts. this mostly seems to be some nymphs flipping alignments.

But really, nothing makes fae a specific alignment they are not bound to it like outsiders are.


What about fey and demon then? How do they get along? or fey and genies?

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The Tiende (or Tithe) you refer to doesn't really seem a part of Pathfinder/Golarion cosmology. Reasonably sure the Eldest would not look fondly on such a compact any way. Of course there are Lawful Fae as well, there just aren't as many of them & being Lawful, they tend to be rather more focused in their activities than the other Fae.


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Please give us Nazi Fairies, Paizo. The pitter patter of little jackboots marching through the Enchanted Forest.


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Dragon78 wrote:
Fey are not inherently chaotic since fey can be any alignment. They just tend to be chaotic of neutral, though. There are lawful types.

There are. The overwhelming majority is non-lawful, though, with some being neutral on that axis.


They tend to chaos but are not always chaotic there is variation. They are not outsiders so are not nearly as limited in there alignment selection so you could have a lawful version of any of them if needed.


Dragon78 wrote:
They tend to chaos but are not always chaotic; there is variation. They are not outsiders so are not nearly as limited in there alignment selection so you could have a lawful version of any of them if needed.

Yes. However, inventing lawful fey just to have them making deals with Chelaxian administration is a bit contrived, don't you think?

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Wouldn't the Fey and Devils get along phenomenally? Both live by rules that they make that try to screw others over with bargains according to those rules?

Honestly, would a Fey/Devil bargain be like a rules lawyer cage match?


Even if they didn't share the same alignment wouldn't mean that the fey couldn't be forced into a deal by Hell.

This thread has given me the idea to create a race of fey-like fiends, similar to the Azata...

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Fey and Kytons seem to get along famously in Nidal, through the Umbral Court and Shadow Plane, but there's less fey/devil (or fey/demon) connection baked into Golarion, that I've seen.

Still, this is Golarion, not [insert other game world here], and the fey Eldest, their 'gods,' include two Lawful Neutral exemplars (Imbrex and Magdh) and only three Chaotic Neutral / Evil ones (Count Ranalc, the Lantern King and Ragadahn), so the fey of Golarion are *much* less weighted towards chaotic (and evil, obviously, since they have two evil gods and zero good ones, with even their non-evil gods having Domains like Darkness, Death, Destruction and Madness) than in some other settings.


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fine_young_misanthrope wrote:
Wouldn't the Fey and Devils get along phenomenally? Both live by rules that they make that try to screw others over with bargains according to those rules?

I'd say no, they wouldn't get along... why would they get along when they'd probably see the other group as a huge competitor?

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Dungeon Master Zack wrote:
...fey-like fiends, similar to the Azata...

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Love the idea!


fine_young_misanthrope wrote:
Wouldn't the Fey and Devils get along phenomenally? Both live by rules that they make that try to screw others over with bargains according to those rules?

The medieval painter Hieronymus Bosch filled his scenes of Hell with fey-like devils, so yes, I think the two can fit together well.

The original fey creatures from fairy-tales are often Chaotic Lawful -- they are fickle and unpredictable except when they make an oath which they stick to without fail, like Rumplestiltskin or the Pied Piper and a hundred other fairytale characters.


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Fey and Kytons seem to get along famously in Nidal, through the Umbral Court and Shadow Plane, but there's less fey/devil (or fey/demon) connection baked into Golarion, that I've seen.

Still, this is Golarion, not [insert other game world here], and the fey Eldest, their 'gods,' include two Lawful Neutral exemplars (Imbrex and Magdh) and only three Chaotic Neutral / Evil ones (Count Ranalc, the Lantern King and Ragadahn), so the fey of Golarion are *much* less weighted towards chaotic (and evil, obviously, since they have two evil gods and zero good ones, with even their non-evil gods having Domains like Darkness, Death, Destruction and Madness) than in some other settings.

I know this is a tangent, but I never understood where there wasn't at least a few good Eldest. Seems odd given that there are good fey and other first world denizens. I am hoping if we ever get a new "Book of the Damned" style book on the Eldest, we might get more members, including some good Eldest.


And what would the Order of the Nail of Hell Knights think of fey? Order of the Pike? They both sound like likely candidates in going against Fey.


There's a throw-away reference in the fiction chapter in the fourth part of the Curse of the Crimson Throne adventure path to children living near the Barrowood who make daisy chains to ward off wights, which I read as eldritch or fey rather than undead, bestiary be darned. :)
From what I recall of the Player's Companion to Cheliax, there are weird things in the country's woods, but what people worry about are portals to the lower planes and entrances to the Darklands rather than fey, though maybe gremlins would work.

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