Kickstarter Hacked


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The article

Kickstarter Hacked article

Basically says you should change your password as soon as you can.

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Are there any implications in changing our passwords as far as Paizo / GW forums are concerned?

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If you use the same user ID and/or email address here (or for any other site), I would suggest changing your passwords across the board.

While best practice says to use different passwords, I know people don't do that in reality :)

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The article and email said no PW information was stolen, but people with obvious or weak PWs should change theirs. They also reset the login with FB to get rid of that data so that couldn't be used. Ita always best to change it your PW if your not comfortable that it would be hard to hack.

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Encrypted passwords were taken. This means by now, weak passwords have been unencrypted, and if they belong to joe.blogs@gmail.com, and Joe uses the same password on gmail, he is now owned.

The hackers were most likely going after Kickstarter for this specific reason and not for the sites credentials. Email and social media creds are worth far more.


Jiminy wrote:

Encrypted passwords were taken. This means by now, weak passwords have been unencrypted, and if they belong to joe.blogs@gmail.com, and Joe uses the same password on gmail, he is now owned.

The hackers were most likely going after Kickstarter for this specific reason and not for the sites credentials. Email and social media creds are worth far more.

This is why you use a different email address, logon name and password for everything

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and use password safe to keep track of them all.

My experience says that 80% of people don't do this however. Keeps me gainfully employed though!


Jiminy wrote:

and use password safe to keep track of them all.

My experience says that 80% of people don't do this however. Keeps me gainfully employed though!

While I agree it is better than using one password for everything I remain unconvinced by such programs due to the fact that one password still gives access to all of your passwords.

A virus or trojan targetting such an app only needs to capture your password for it and send over your database and thats you done.

I keep my list on a separate pc that never connects to any network. The file itself is encrypted and each entry is also encrypted by a simple substitution cypher which I can translate separately. Complicated? Yes but I rarely need to refer to it in any case as most logons and passwords I can remember

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I agree with you, Steelwing. An offline repository, or some method of out of band authentication if far more preferable. This is generally not practicable for most end users however.

I use the safe I linked above, with the certificate/key option. To access the safe, you need to enter a password and also have the certificate somewhere locally, which is on an encrypted usb stick.

You're right again, in that malware written to work around these protections could still steal the whole database while in an unencrypted state, but from experience, the fraudsters and criminal gangs go for far lower hanging fruit. The people that have the skills to write such malware are working for governments or large criminal organisations and writing things such as stuxnet or ZeuS.

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All arguments come down to the fact that the whole password system is broken as pointed out here.


Jiminy wrote:

I agree with you, Steelwing. An offline repository, or some method of out of band authentication if far more preferable. This is generally not practicable for most end users however.

I use the safe I linked above, with the certificate/key option. To access the safe, you need to enter a password and also have the certificate somewhere locally, which is on an encrypted usb stick.

You're right again, in that malware written to work around these protections could still steal the whole database while in an unencrypted state, but from experience, the fraudsters and criminal gangs go for far lower hanging fruit. The people that have the skills to write such malware are working for governments or large criminal organisations and writing things such as stuxnet or ZeuS.

Your system is certainly better than nothing I was just pointing out it still has flaws because when you are aware of the flaws you can protect yourself. Seen too many assume because they have one form of protection they can forgo others

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Yep. Lifedragn has the right of it. Passwords are a flawed system. Until we can use our DNA to authenticate applications, we're stuck with these types of events.


Lifedragn wrote:
All arguments come down to the fact that the whole password system is broken as pointed out here.

While passwords certainly have huge problems (you normally find that problem between the chair and the monitor) unfortunately biometrics and such like have currently not come of age in terms of giving false positives.

For example last study I saw gave retina scans around 80% reliability and fingerprint scans about 86%. While that sounds a pretty good rate imagine your card being refused in a filling station one time in 5 or in a restaurant

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Also if someone hacks your biometrics, how do you change them?

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Things have come full circle: it seems that the safest system of password storage might be a notebook in a locked desk drawer.

Although a trojan can defeat literally any method of security, and a MITM attack can do anything short of a OTP or preshared key...

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Did anyone have trouble changing their password? Nothing happens when I click the Change Password button.

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Should be working. Did it welcome you with a "please change your pword" banner message upon logging in?

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Notmyrealname wrote:
Did anyone have trouble changing their password? Nothing happens when I click the Change Password button.

You have to put in your new password in two separate text boxes, then put your old/current password in the text box below. That's how I did it and I got a confirming email afterwards.

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AvenaOats wrote:
Should be working. Did it welcome you with a "please change your pword" banner message upon logging in?

No the banner was missing and it showed up a day later so it worked then. For some reason just going into my account and trying to change it without that banner being there didn't work.

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If you click "Forgot My Password" at the login screen it automatically goes into password reset mode from the email thy send.

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Maybe I'm just a little too paranoid, but when I hear that my email address has possibly been compromised, I find the website through my bookmarks or the google rather than relying on something that showed up in my mailbox.

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Urman wrote:
Maybe I'm just a little too paranoid, but when I hear that my email address has possibly been compromised, I find the website through my bookmarks or the google rather than relying on something that showed up in my mailbox.

Good idea; I actually Googled the news story first rather than believe the email, then typed in the website name manually.

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It's an email they send at the moment that you request it, by clicking the forgotten password link. I wasn't too bothered by it (and I really did forget my KS password).

Also if they did manage to get my financial information from KS, that non-reloadable gift card has been empty for a while (internet security, yo).

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I stay logged in and it still asked me to change it when I visited. No problems. Waiting for my new credit card in the mail, so even if they got that info from me the old one is no longer valid.

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Luckily Kickstarter doesn't keep anyone's Credit Card information; that all got sourced to Amazon.

Shadow Lodge Goblin Squad Member

Here's a useful resource for picking passwords:
www.passwordcard.org/en

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Here is a summary of password strengths:

http://xkcd.com/936/

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One thing I thought was useful with SWTOR, it came with an authentic actor key. Your pw stayed the same, but you had to put in the number the key generated before every log in.

I suppose they could hack your pw, but never get into your game.

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Bluddwolf wrote:

One thing I thought was useful with SWTOR, it came with an authentic actor key. Your pw stayed the same, but you had to put in the number the key generated before every log in.

I suppose they could hack your pw, but never get into your game.

If it's cost-effective, I'd love to see PFO use authenticators like that. I was happy to have them for WoW and SWTOR

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PS. Don't use correcthorsebatterystaple as your password.

or a bunch of other passwords you probably think are secure

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We'll probably use Google Authenticator

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Avatar-1 wrote:

PS. Don't use correcthorsebatterystaple as your password.

or a bunch of other passwords you probably think are secure

If you use four uniform random words from the dictionary, you won't fall to a brute-force attack from somebody who knows that you used four random words from the dictionary.

To get a random word from the dictionary can be tricky: If you open to a page without caring which, you probably opened to the middle third, and your randomness is not uniform.

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Sorry I should have clarified - the point of the post (apart from not using exactly "correcthorsebatterystaple", which is probably getting up there with "123456" by now) is to be informed about just how strong some passwords can be (or not be).

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What are the costs on setting up two factor authentication for the customer base expected.

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If we use Google Authenticator I think the costs are close to zero. Haven't researched this in a while but I think the tool is basically free.

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I've never set up two factor authentication because I don't like the idea of what happens if I lose my phone (which I've done before, and let's face it, can happen to anybody).

I asked around about this, and I'm told you get security questions instead. I'm not sure if that's actually true, but if it is, that really limits just how useful two factor authentication really is if the fallback is very-not-secure (for most people, at least) security questions.

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Avatar-1 wrote:

I've never set up two factor authentication because I don't like the idea of what happens if I lose my phone (which I've done before, and let's face it, can happen to anybody).

I asked around about this, and I'm told you get security questions instead. I'm not sure if that's actually true, but if it is, that really limits just how useful two factor authentication really is if the fallback is very-not-secure (for most people, at least) security questions.

The answer to secrutiy questions...... don't use the real answer.

For example: What is the high school you graduated from? Answer = the sky is blue.

What is the make of your first car? I still ride a bike.

Secure and is like a PW, as long as you remember it, your fine and it won't be guessed by anyone who does or doesn't know you and what your real first car was or where you went to high school.

You could always lie too.....

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"The Goodfellow" wrote:
Avatar-1 wrote:

I've never set up two factor authentication because I don't like the idea of what happens if I lose my phone (which I've done before, and let's face it, can happen to anybody).

I asked around about this, and I'm told you get security questions instead. I'm not sure if that's actually true, but if it is, that really limits just how useful two factor authentication really is if the fallback is very-not-secure (for most people, at least) security questions.

The answer to secrutiy questions...... don't use the real answer.

For example: What is the high school you graduated from? Answer = the sky is blue.

What is the make of your first car? I still ride a bike.

Secure and is like a PW, as long as you remember it, your fine and it won't be guessed by anyone who does or doesn't know you and what your real first car was or where you went to high school.

You could always lie too.....

Just like a sneaky assassin.... Never thought of this.

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