Does all armor limit speed?


Rules Questions


The armor tables seem to suggest that even light armor would limit a wearer's speed, as the "limit" for a character with 30ft speed is 30ft, not "-".

Example of my train of thought: Human Magus is wearing a chain shirt and casts Expeditious Retreat. The spell doesn't have any text that allows a bypass of armor speed restrictions, so wouldn't the wearer still be limited to 30ft?

I know I've always played that "light armor doesn't limit your movement speed at all" but now that I'm thinking about it, I can't actually find any justification for that in the RAW.
Is there any? If so, where is it?

Grand Lodge

No.

Medium and Heavy armor reduces speed, but does not create a hard limit.

You can still apply additional bonuses to speed.

Light armor does not reduce speed.

Liberty's Edge

Light armor dos not change your speed at all. Consider a human barbarian, whose normal move speed is 40'. When he wears light armor, his move speed is still 40'. The Expeditious Retreat spell increases your base land speed by 30' - you have the same increase in speed when you wear armor.

You have been playing correctly. (-:

Sczarni

if you read further you'll find it's restricting speed based on base 30ft...

It gives you a table and guidelines for adjusting it for slower/faster races.


blackbloodtroll wrote:
Light armor does not reduce speed.
Theconiel wrote:
Light armor dos not change your speed at all.

Where does it flat out say this, though? Because the text on armor speed is:

PRD wrote:

Speed: Medium or heavy armor slows the wearer down. The number on Table: Armor and Shields is the character's speed while wearing the armor. Humans, elves, half-elves, and half-orcs have an unencumbered speed of 30 feet. They use the first column. Dwarves, gnomes, and halflings have an unencumbered speed of 20 feet. They use the second column. Remember, however, that a dwarf's land speed remains 20 feet even in medium or heavy armor or when carrying a medium or heavy load.

Shields: Shields do not affect a character's speed.

Bolded for emphasis. If Light armor truly didn't affect a character's speed, then why is a numerical value listed, instead of just copying the template that shields use (ie: a dash instead of a number)?

Theconiel wrote:
Consider a human barbarian, whose normal move speed is 40'. When he wears light armor, his move speed is still 40'. The Expeditious Retreat spell increases your base land speed by 30' - you have the same increase in speed when you wear armor.

Ah, but the Barbarian's Fast Movement specifically works in light and medium armor, because the ability itself says so:

Fast Movement wrote:
A barbarian's land speed is faster than the norm for her race by +10 feet. This benefit applies only when she is wearing no armor, light armor, or medium armor, and not carrying a heavy load. Apply this bonus before modifying the barbarian's speed because of any load carried or armor worn. This bonus stacks with any other bonuses to the barbarian's land speed.

I used Expeditious Retreat as an example because it doesn't specifically say it works in armor, the way Fast Movement does.

lantzkev wrote:
It gives you a table and guidelines for adjusting it for slower/faster races.

I see no such additional table for slower/faster races. PRD link or page number?

Sczarni

Quote:
Speed: Medium or heavy armor slows the wearer down.

notice something missing?

it's listed in additional rules


Ah, "additional rules." Thanks.

And yes, I did notice that "light" was missing from that sentence. But, as I point out above, I also notice that the chart you are directed to, to find out what your movement speed is in armor, lists a number. But if there is no limit, then why the inclusion of a limit?


Maybe they thought that if they put a dash someone would read it to mean they cant move at all in that armor...


Pathfinder Starfinder Society Subscriber

There is no real reason to list speed in light armor since it equals your base speed. The only exception I know of is the monk class, whose fast movement ability is negated by light armor -- but in that case also the unenhanced speed is already known as well.

Sczarni

call it whatever you want, but light armor doesn't cause a penalty.

someone may have put the numbers in because they didn't want it blank or some aesthetic reason.


I think it is possible to look at a small part of the rules a bit too long and confused one self.
I know i have done it. And i think that is what happend here.


Honestly, I just think it's missing a, "Light armor does not reduce your speed" tagline. Leaving "light" out of the sentence that says, "Medium and Heavy armors reduce your speed," but also including number values in the "Speed" column seem to contradict each other with the RAI.

All they had to do is stick a, "Light armor does not affect your speed" tagline, just like they have for Shields. :)

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Pathfinder Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game, Starfinder Society Subscriber
Neo2151 wrote:

Honestly, I just think it's missing a, "Light armor does not reduce your speed" tagline. Leaving "light" out of the sentence that says, "Medium and Heavy armors reduce your speed," but also including number values in the "Speed" column seem to contradict each other with the RAI.

All they had to do is stick a, "Light armor does not affect your speed" tagline, just like they have for Shields. :)

Technically, the table is correct. No where does say that 30 ft is a max speed. What the table says is that a character with a speed of 30 feet can move 30 feet in light armor, which it true. It doens't say anything about a character with a move speed of 40 feet (a barbarian), 35 feet (I think there's a feat that gives you an extra 5 feet), or 60 feet (haste).

It could probably be worded better, but the table itself is fine.

Sczarni

the columns for 30ft say 30ft for light armor... 20ft column 20ft... that's a reduction of nothing....

it's also not listed as slowing you down.

Grand Lodge

Where is this limit idea coming from?

Nothing gives any impression that any armor creates a hard limit.

Even PCs in medium or heavy armor, whose speed is reduced, can increase their speed with other abilities and spells.

Community / Forums / Pathfinder / Pathfinder First Edition / Rules Questions / Does all armor limit speed? All Messageboards

Want to post a reply? Sign in.