Anyone want to explain to me why the latest fashion trend happens to be player-bashing?
I've seen it come up a lot more than before. Do we all really have to assume that a DM is never wrong?
Before anyone rails up against me on this, I myself am a DM, currently running my third Kingmaker campaign.
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... I'm sorry, this is new?
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Orthos is right, this isn't new. DMs have bashed players and players have bashed DMs ever since they existed. People bash each other. It's not glamorous, or empowering, or educational, most of the time.
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It's the universal indicator for needing to see other people (to roleplay with).
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Anyone want to explain to me why the latest fashion trend happens to be player-bashing?
I've seen it come up a lot more than before. Do we all really have to assume that a DM is never wrong?
Is that the way it's tilting this month?
I see it going either way all the time here. It seems to me that it's usually based off of either posters reacting in support of the person posting or in support of their own preconceived notions formed from their personal experiences.
You honestly haven't seen a lot of people raking DM's over the coals in absentia on these forums? 0.o
The thing is, I've only seen entitled DM behaviour in person, yet only hear about entitled player behaviour from others.
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The thing is, I've only seen entitled DM behaviour in person, yet only hear about entitled player behaviour from others.
I don't really see any entitled players. I've seen whiners, complainers, rules lawyers, bad players, rude players, and immature players, but not entitled. Statistically speaking, I suppose it makes sense that there would be more people complaining about players since they outnumber the GM 4:1 or so. There's a bigger chance that any given group has a problem player rather than a problem GM.
To be honest, though, I haven't really seen too many player-bashing or GM-bashing posts lately. Am I just missing them?
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The thing is, I've only seen entitled DM behaviour in person, yet only hear about entitled player behaviour from others.
I imagine that's because the majority of people who post on Paizo are their group's GMs, or one of if they have multiple people who GM.
Of the players in my group who GM all but one of them post here, a couple of us very frequently, a couple more rarely or only in the AP forums that are relevant to them. The players who only play and never GM aren't even registered here, much less posting.
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The thing is, I've only seen entitled DM behaviour in person, yet only hear about entitled player behaviour from others.
*shrug* Limited experience on your part then, I suppose?
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Secondly, has anyone else here been accused of power gaming while playing a fighter or rogue?
Yep, as a rogue in 3.0 and we were facing undead...I've locked that session away in my mind surrounded by a lake of fugue-state.
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Rules Lawyer, I sometimes catch myself doing this...
Secondly, has anyone else here been accused of power gaming while playing a fighter or rogue?
Not me personally, but one GM had a whole mess of houserules crippling rogues (SA only worked on the first attack of a flank, even if you were TWF for instance) because one of his first games a player one-shotted his boss with a rogue.
Of course, that had a LOT more to do with the stupidly overpowered weapon he allowed the player to have. (I don't remember exactly what it was, but it was the equivalent of a +5 weapon for a single-digit leveled character. Somehow I don't think the 2d6 additional sneak attack was the problem.)
Because all the cool kids hate things now?
Anyone want to explain to me why the latest fashion trend happens to be player-bashing?
I've seen it come up a lot more than before. Do we all really have to assume that a DM is never wrong?
Yeah this isn't new... players vs GMs and vice versa is as old as the game itself.
And I really don't think anyone assumes a DM is never wrong. Was that line an attempt to troll up a response or some sort of straw man?
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That man is very very very sad.
Not me personally, but one GM had a whole mess of houserules crippling rogues (SA only worked on the first attack of a flank, even if you were TWF for instance) because one of his first games a player one-shotted his boss with a rogue.
Oh, there's more (spoilered for the thread's sake):
The one time this particular GM and I really got into an argument (as a player, as when I GM, I'm typically very Go-With-the-Flow) was over the TWF - by 10th level our Halfling rogue in our party had already spent most of combat useless due to the sheer number of constructs and elementals we were fighting. He asked for some help between sessions to maximize how he could actually contribute when we got to humanoid enemies so I mentioned TWF with a high crit range weapon is usually considered a solid rogue build. So yeah, it was pretty cliche, but he had a dual something-or-other - maybe wakizashis? - rogue. But then when it was supposed to actually work, the GM decreed even when you're flanking, ONLY the first attack gets the sneak attack.
It's like seriously, if he missed the first 5d6 opportunity from flanking then he was doing 1d4+2 damage. AT LEVEL 10. And the GM was still insisting rogues are overpowered. It wasn't even my character, but at that point it was like . . . well, kinda like this.
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Anyone want to explain to me why the latest fashion trend happens to be player-bashing?
I've seen it come up a lot more than before. Do we all really have to assume that a DM is never wrong?
Yeah this isn't new... players vs GMs and vice versa is as old as the game itself.
And I really don't think anyone assumes a DM is never wrong. Was that line an attempt to troll up a response or some sort of straw man?
Well, the majority of early posts I have seen in any such GM vs Player thread tend to be of the "GM is right, player is wrong" variety.
I was not aware of any recent spike in such activity though.
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haters gonna hate
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Anyone want to explain to me why the latest fashion trend happens to be player-bashing?
I've seen it come up a lot more than before. Do we all really have to assume that a DM is never wrong?
Yeah this isn't new... players vs GMs and vice versa is as old as the game itself.
And I really don't think anyone assumes a DM is never wrong. Was that line an attempt to troll up a response or some sort of straw man?
Well, the majority of early posts I have seen in any such GM vs Player thread tend to be of the "GM is right, player is wrong" variety.
I was not aware of any recent spike in such activity though.
I think the GM is right / Player is wrong ideas are simply a misunderstanding of the rules. While it is true in RAW that the GM's position as final arbiter makes him always right... that is literally ONLY in his own game and certainly isn't even final there either. A GM can certainly be (and many frequently are) wrong in everything from understanding the rules and building a good story to motivating his players. It takes a lot of skill to run the perfect game... fortunately even though players are often just as flawed as their GM they (most of the time) overlook the GMs flaws in order to enjoy the game.