How to stat up the Shadowless Sword


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If you are familiar with Radovan and Jeggare from the many Pathfinder Novels detailing their adventures, particularly Master of Devils, how would you build the Shadowless Sword?

I'm thinking temple sword and true seeing ability. Any suggestions?


Definitely Speed quality.
Some sort of immortal-bane quality. Mythic bane maybe? To get through epic DR or mythic DR or immortal qualities. Important in my opinion for what happens in Master of Devils and mythicness of King of Chaos.
At-will or continuous true-seeing. At-will would be cheaper, but continuous while wielded would be more accurate.

What type of sword would take some consideration. The sword is definitely depicted as a jian asian weapon which forum consensus would be longsword (simple asian longsword), or temple sword (monk flurry weapon, but ignore temple sword physical description), or rapier (finesseable thrusting sword) for variety of reasons.

Varian's proficiencies would probably include full martial weapons; I see him as having at least 1 level in fighter or aristocrat or magus to qualify to be Eldritch Knight. However, he seems more weapon finessey than standard strength-swordsman, so maybe rapier? Monk weapon some sort seems appropriate for the Shadowless Sword's history, so temple sword works, or tack on monk-weapon quality to it like Blade of the Sword-Saint does (about 25,000 gp to make it monk-weapon and counts as unarmed, the latter which brings up enough questions on its own) Longsword too for lack of better ideas.

I think easiest would be to modify the Blade of the Sword-Saint (base of +3 ki-intesifying katana with all the extra monk goodness).

Shadowless Sword: +4 mythic-bane speed transformative Blade of the Sword-Saint with continious true-seeing when wielded.
Cost would be....225350 (+10 weapon) +10000 (transformative) + 264000 (continuous true-seeing) = 499,350. Since it's already so crazy expensive (thanks a lot, true-seeing, might as well tack on adamantine and impervious for the heck of it to protect such a crazy-expensive investment, +6000 = 505350 gp. At the +10 weapon limit but thanks to static gp price weapon qualities, get to UP THE PRICE! Woo!

Since it's transformative, it can be whatever weapon Varion or the monks of the Dragon Temple would prefer using. Blade of the Sword-Saint so a monk can flurry with it and benefit from whatever style feat that needs unarmed. +4 enhancement bonus to defeat special material and alignment DR, and mythic bane or whatever bane that might be useful to beat epic monster in whoever's game/story. The true seeing is real pricy. If it's only at-will, sword would be 373350 instead.

Well that's my take on. I look forward to hearing anyone else's.


Wow, just wow. Thank you! That's very helpful and I appreciate the different options you considered.


No problems. Been obsessing on the sword's stats since Master of Devils came out and Queen of Thorns only added to it. This is the first time I ever bothered typing it all out.

Spoiler:
King of Chaos has now got me wondering on Varian's class layout lol.


Protoman wrote:

No problems. Been obsessing on the sword's stats since Master of Devils came out and Queen of Thorns only added to it. This is the first time I ever bothered typing it all out.

** spoiler omitted **

The only thing I see missing is that the blade made him feel young. Age Resistance is a spell published in 2011 (June 7th to be weirdly precise) in Ultimate Magic. It seems that it would be very appropriate to those little old martial arts masters always being described as spry or fierce.

The True Seeing would need to be when wielded, rather than at will, as it revealed illusions when the hilt was brushed.

I do not remember the sword changing its shape or nature for him to wield it. If you could provide a reference, I will be happy to change my mind about this.

Silver Crusade

+4 Keen Katina of Speed that grants the wielder true seeing.

I don’t think it was the sword that made him feel young. I got the feeling it was the monk training he was doing and the youth feeling came around before he got the sword.


Sentath wrote:
Protoman wrote:

No problems. Been obsessing on the sword's stats since Master of Devils came out and Queen of Thorns only added to it. This is the first time I ever bothered typing it all out.

** spoiler omitted **

The only thing I see missing is that the blade made him feel young. Age Resistance is a spell published in 2011 (June 7th to be weirdly precise) in Ultimate Magic. It seems that it would be very appropriate to those little old martial arts masters always being described as spry or fierce.

The True Seeing would need to be when wielded, rather than at will, as it revealed illusions when the hilt was brushed.

I do not remember the sword changing its shape or nature for him to wield it. If you could provide a reference, I will be happy to change my mind about this.

For the young thing, I feel it has more to do with his

Spoiler:
his replacement heart being half of a celestial pearl/heart of a wish-granting dragon granting renewed vitality he received in Master of Devils. And his hair color has been gradually darkening to as it was in his youth. In later books, it's noted by Radovan that he suspected Varian is dying his hair when he's not looking.

I agree with TimrehIX's thinking it was the monk training that made him feel more youthful and fit. The sword allowed him to fully utilize his swordsmanship, maybe even enhancing it (with the Speed quality).

If the "heart" was statted up, I'd definitely put in age resistance and death ward to explain how he's immune to vampires' energy drain attacks.

I agree true-seeing should be continuous/when wielded, I only included the at-will ability for alternative pricing in case anyone's actually trying to think of ways to price it for their own character/game's loot without going overboard.

I only included the transformative simply because it's the easiest way to ensure Varian (or anyone wanting such a sword) is proficient in it. D20 stats-wise, it can get tricky when dealing with monk proficiencies compared to other warrior classes or whatever it is Varian has class levels in/proficient with.

Silver Crusade

True, but he started feeling young before that.

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While I never statted out the sword, Protoman is right on the money, at least insofar as the Shadowless Sword's revealed and awakened attributes are concerned.

By the bye, the sword is a jian or tai chi sword, not a katana. You'd find the latter in Minkai in the hands of samurai and ronin, the former all over mainland Tian Xia in the hands of various sorts of "heroes."

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