+1 to what LazarX said.
But also, you could just ignore the rules on this... I do on all the other +'d weapons that bypass things. For example, DR 5/Cold Iron requires cold Iron in my games, none of that +2(+3 (really not sure)) or equivalent stuff.
Either way, calm down. It's just a game.
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Man, I love reading mad and entitled posts. It always makes me chuckle seeing people taking the game too seriously. It's kind of adorable, really.
I go with those rules, because in my mind, a +5 weapon is something rare and special, a weapon mighty enough that you can dispense with the golf club mentality of weaponry (Jeeves, hand me the Number 5 Cold Iron Sword, Never mind make that the Number 3 Silver!)+1 to what LazarX said.
But also, you could just ignore the rules on this... I do on all the other +'d weapons that bypass things. For example, DR 5/Cold Iron requires cold Iron in my games, none of that +2(+3 (really not sure)) or equivalent stuff.
Either way, calm down. It's just a game.
I go with those rules because martials dont deserve to suffer even move high level hehe.
To the OP , chill , if your players get a sword +6 , then they are just that EPIC , it is not irrelevant , it is not something most will have (not everybody plays mithic) , so if you have epic PCs , you should expect them to get past the epic DR.
I go with those rules, because in my mind, a +5 weapon is something rare and special, a weapon mighty enough that you can dispense with the golf club mentality of weaponry (Jeeves, hand me the Number 5 Cold Iron Sword, Never mind make that the Number 3 Silver!)+1 to what LazarX said.
But also, you could just ignore the rules on this... I do on all the other +'d weapons that bypass things. For example, DR 5/Cold Iron requires cold Iron in my games, none of that +2(+3 (really not sure)) or equivalent stuff.
Either way, calm down. It's just a game.
I go with those rules because martials dont deserve to suffer even move high level hehe.
To the OP , chill , if your players get a sword +6 , then they are just that EPIC , it is not irrelevant , it is not something most will have (not everybody plays mithic) , so if you have epic PCs , you should expect them to get past the epic DR.
It's not that anyone expects them to not get past epic DR. It's that you traditionally needed something that struck at their very being to do it. For example, a +4 evil-outsider bane sword will pierce the epic DR of a demon or devil with epic DR because it hits with a +6 enhancement bonus.
However, now basically any ol' middling power weapon will pierce their DR. The DR might as well not really exist.
That being said, it's not a big deal. Mythic rules are optional and you can just choose to not use them in favor of the core rules which say:
A few very powerful monsters are vulnerable only to epic weapons—that is, magic weapons with at least a +6 enhancement bonus. Such creatures' natural weapons are also treated as epic weapons for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction.
Calls out needing an enhancement bonus specifically.
I don't like the rule either, but I understand why it is in place. I am thinking of have the enhancement be a +3 with the extra +3 be able to come from special qualities.
It's not that anyone expects them to not get past epic DR. It's that you traditionally needed something that struck at their very being to do it. For example, a +4 evil-outsider bane sword will pierce the epic DR of a demon or devil with epic DR because it hits with a +6 enhancement bonus.
However, now basically any ol' middling power weapon will pierce their DR. The DR might as well not really exist.
That being said, it's not a big deal. Mythic rules are optional and you can just choose to not use them in favor of the core rules which say:
A few very powerful monsters are vulnerable only to epic weapons—that is, magic weapons with at least a +6 enhancement bonus. Such creatures' natural weapons are also treated as epic weapons for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction.Calls out needing an enhancement bonus specifically.
Hehe i understand what you mean , but i dont find it too big a deal.
They could even go the easy exit , +4 furious , then the mage gives rage. It is generic and works from angel to demon. To not say the other generic stuff.
Anyway, Another thread on this.
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Here's a thought how about having DR epic need an EPIC weapon to bypass it that way it's a real problem
Mate , if you are the GM you can create DR OWNED , now there is nothing in the book that could possible get pass that.
"You see a group of red werewolves... You hit them , but your silver weapons seem to not work so well"
Done.
When i play i think my GM is trying to create cool and challenging fights , not something out to kill me. So if he does that , im perfectly fine with it.
Your monsters need DR during fight X? Then make them have it, create a reason and go for it, just make sure your players can still win and ,unless you have a reason for killing one , all of them survive.
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<rant>
Seriously. With the new rule in Mythic Adventures, Epic Damage Reduction is no better than Magic Damage Reduction in practice."The second way is presented in Mythic Adventures: You can use a weapon that has a total "plus-equivalent" of +6 or higher. For example, a +1 vorpal longsword and a +2 flaming frost shock keen longsword both are +6-equivalent magic weapons."
This is seriously stupid. Nice job breaking it, Paizo. Now you can blow through Damage Reduction 100/Epic with a Longsword +1 if it has Flaming, Frost, Shock, and Speed on it. You can do this as soon as Level 13. By Level 20, you're laughing at any and all Damage Reduction. Why do high CR creatures even have it?
IT'S STUPID!
Here's my ruling as GM: DR/Epic requires an actual enhancement bonus of +6 or higher, period. DR/Epic and Silver requires a +6 silver or mithral weapon OR a +8 total; same for DR/Epic and Cold Iron. DR/Epic and Adamantine requires a +6 adamantine weapon OR a +9 total. DR/Epic and [Alignment] requires a +6 [Alignment] weapon OR a +10 total.
Much better. How could Paizo muck it up so bad and make Damage Reduction completely worthless? It's so annoying. Maybe they'll see this and put it into the next book or something.
</rant>
You know, as others have pointed out, you may (or may not) actually have a valid point which might be worthy of discussing, but it's REALLY difficult to get past the rude, condescending and needlessly antagonistic tone of your post to find out. Maybe next time try posting your thought or opinion with more civility and politeness - you might get fewer people ignoring the content of your post in order to call you out for the blatant rudeness.
Oh, and simply adding the <rant> </rant> fake tags does not excuse said rude, condescending and needlessly antagonistic tone.
Just a thought.
OP: -1 to your style, but +5 to your intent. This was a dreary decision.
As LazarX said, I think Paizo was really looking for "DR/mythic", and instead broke DR/epic to adapt it for use. A +1, bane, furious dagger should not count as a +7 weapon.
As it was, DR/epic was still quite useful. Artifacts could bypass it, and high-end bane weapons could bypass it, among a few other things. That was enough. This is completely contrary to the changes the Core Rulebook made to make Enhancement bonus actually mean something.
It doesn't. It counts as +5. +3 Bane, Furious Dagger, on the other hand..
==Aelryinth
Reread the FAQ Aelryinth. It specifically says you count the +1 for bane's cost, *and* the +2 enhancement boost it gives.
