Can Gift of Life circumvent BoL death by death effects?

[Burn56]

Power Word Kill
Can instagib someone, if the conditions are right.
Now, once killed with Power Word Kill, you cannot be brought back with Breath of Life due to the spell specifically saying: "Creatures slain by death effects cannot be saved by breath of life."

However, what if someone used the Gift of Life from the resurrection Domain first?

Resurrection Domain

Resurrection Domain wrote:

Gift of Life (Su): At 8th level, you can touch a creature that has died within the past minute to grant it a few moments of life. The dead creature returns to life for a number of rounds equal to your cleric level. Creatures returned to life in this way have a number of hit points equal to half your cleric level, and continue to be affected by any still-active spells, conditions, or afflictions present at the time of their death. At the end of this time, the creature dies again. The creature is free to act as it sees fit during this time. You are granted no control over it.

You can use this power once per day at 8th level, plus one additional time per day for every four levels beyond 8th.

After the second "Death", couldn't you use Breath of Life, as when it died the second time it was not by a death effect.

Thoughts?

[Scavion]

Uh. My vote is yes. Sure, since the second death isn't by a death effect.

[Ipslore the Red]

Sure, but it won't stop them from dying again. Breath of Life restores HP. The second death isn't due to HP damage. They just die.

[Thanis Kartaleon]

Unless 'slain by a death effect' is a condition or affliction that sticks around while still being allowed to act through GoL.

I do like this idea, however, and would probably allow it at my table.

[Burn56]

Ipslore the Red wrote:

Sure, but it won't stop them from dying again. Breath of Life restores HP. The second death isn't due to HP damage. They just die.

Yeah, it's not to prevent them from dying a second time, it's to bring them back with the breath of life spell AFTER the second death.

HP damage doesn't matter.

Breath of Life wrote:

This spell cures 5d8 points of damage + 1 point per caster level (maximum +25).

Unlike other spells that heal damage, breath of life can bring recently slain creatures back to life. If cast upon a creature that has died within 1 round, apply the healing from this spell to the creature. If the healed creature's hit point total is at a negative amount less than its Constitution score, it comes back to life and stabilizes at its new hit point total. If the creature's hit point total is at a negative amount equal to or greater than its Constitution score, the creature remains dead. Creatures brought back to life through breath of life gain a temporary negative level that lasts for 1 day.

Creatures slain by death effects cannot be saved by breath of life.

Like cure spells, breath of life deals damage to undead creatures rather than curing them, and cannot bring them back to life.

Emphasis mine. Wouldn't that still apply?

Basically, the creature's HP wouldn't be more than their Con score, and they didn't just die from a death effect.

[Ipslore the Red]

No, because you already brought them back to life. Stabilizing is a specific game term that stops them from bleeding out. It doesn't stop them from dying again when the resurrection runs out.

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The real question is whether they are still affected being "slain by a death effect" with the domain ability.

My guess is that after Gift of Life is used, the death is "suppressed", before going back to the state it was in before - ie. "slain by a death effect".

Even if you assume the death isn't just "suppressed" with Gift of Life and you have a "second chance" sort of like how Breath of Life works, then Gift of Life still effectively kills you at the end of its duration - as a (new) death effect.

I usually like easy-mode play, but I think I'd have to be really, really generous as a GM to say you can come back as if you weren't slain by a death effect here.

[Scavion]

Uh no. Nothing that isnt specifically enumerated as a death effect is one. In fact the wording flat out says you die *AGAIN*. Not revert to a previous state of dead.

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and continue to be affected by any still-active spells, conditions, or afflictions present at the time of their death.

That covers it, even if only loosely.

[Renen]

So? Even if they are affected by "death" status, when they die for the 2nd time, its not a "death" effect. Unless the effect of things like "Power word kill" lingers. But im pretty sure its instant, beaning it happens, and dissipates.