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Some time ago it was announced that the PFS team would be working backwards through the APs to sanction them for PFS credit. Over the summer we saw Skull & Shackles sanctions (and the pirates rejoiced) and just a few months ago we were gifted Jade Regent chronicle sheets.
I was wondering if we had any update on the progress of Carrion Crown (the next in line to be sanctioned) or any of the other APs. Everyone I have talked to has been very happy with the way AP sanctioning has been going so far and everyone has their favorite AP they can't wait to get PFS credit in.
I know people have been apprehensive about Wrath of the Righteous sanctioning because it involves mythic but I see no problem sanctioning this AP as long as it is sanctioned for "campaign mode" (since non-mythic PFS characters may have trouble fighting mythic monsters) and as long as no mythic stuff leaks onto the chronicle sheets (as some people seem to be concerned about mythic rules in PFS). Has there been any decision on this?
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It hasn't been brought up in quite some time, but I was also wondering if the sanctioning of 3.5 modules was still on the table. Back in October 2011 Mike Brock said it was on the list and would get done eventually and it was still being talked about in May 2012, still on the docket apparently.
I know there are some interesting 3.5 modules out there that I would love to run but, frankly, I'm having trouble generating interest locally. If I mention a PFS-sanctioned module people will play it in a heartbeat but no one wants to commit that much time to a module and not get PFS credit for it. And honestly I'm not willing to spend money on the older 3.5 modules if I can't find any players.
So is 3.5 module sanctioning still on the ever-growing list and has just been pushed back by AP sanctioning? Or has it been replaced by AP sanctioning and there is now no desire to sanction 3.5 modules?
I know the 'to-do' list at Paizo probably seems insurmountable at times but I hope 3.5 modules are still somewhere in there (along with Wrath of the Righteous).
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I actually started a thread not that long ago proposing a way to do this: http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2q67s?policy-proposal-sanction-some-APs-as-camp aign
I would also love to see the 3.5 modules sanctioned.
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Yes, I remember seeing that thread. Most of the people who had a problem with it didn't understand the current AP rules for PFS. Allowing for "campaign mode" credit for the Wrath of the Righteous is probably the easiest way to do it.
They've already said they're going to go through and sanction all the previous APs, I was just curious on the timetable for that. It's a big project but they knocked out Reign of Winter, Skull & Shackles, and Jade Regent relatively fast (and during GenCon prep season too).
Sanctioning 3.5 modules is probably one of those things that seems like a really good idea to generate interest in the old modules but at the same time keeps getting pushed down to the bottom of the list. I'm just hoping it gets done sooner rather than never.
The 3.5 modules are on the to-do list, but they're very low on the to-do list. We actually have sanctioning the AP back catalog on the schedule for the next 6 months; we don't have the 3.5 modules on the schedule for that time period. When we get some time, they're one of the things we'll consider using it for, but in the near-term getting the AP back catalog sanctioned is a higher priority than the module back catalog.
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While I agree that it would be awesome to have all the 3.5 modules, AP's and Wrath of the Righteous sanctioned keep in mind that, as far as I know and at this moment, John Compton, as the only PFS Developer is the only person who is really working on sanctioning the AP's and Module lines. In addition to that he also is the primary developer for all PFS Scenarios. In that regard the sheer amount of stuff he has put out in the time he has been on the job has been awesome.
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The 3.5 modules are on the to-do list, but they're very low on the to-do list. We actually have sanctioning the AP back catalog on the schedule for the next 6 months; we don't have the 3.5 modules on the schedule for that time period. When we get some time, they're one of the things we'll consider using it for, but in the near-term getting the AP back catalog sanctioned is a higher priority than the module back catalog.
Jessica -
During the podcast, the announcement about sanctioning old APs referred specifically to PFSRPG APs, at least as I recall. Similarly, someone recently quoted Mike in a thread as saying via private email that he wasn't planning to sanction Wrath of the Righteous, and Mike did not step in to call him a liar, so I assume that's also the case.
So the question is, are 3.5 APs and/or WotR on the list? If so, there's been no indication to date, and so people are asking that there be some. That is, to my perception, the point of this thread, and similar threads that have been started in the past.
Edit: Sidebar, I will note that the eventual sanctioning of 3.5 modules makes me very happy. So thank you for that. :)
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Currently, there is no plans to sanction WotR or the 3.5 APs. John and I may discuss at a later date and decide to move forward with those, but it isn't currently something we are considering.
Hmm. Well, six months to sanction the existing APs (per Jessica's post above), then at least six months to sanction the 3.5 modules ... I'll pester you in a year, then. ;)
Are the APs after WotR going to be sanctioned? (I'm not sure if it's being excepted because it's Mythic, or for some other reason.)
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I know people have been apprehensive about Wrath of the Righteous sanctioning because it involves mythic but I see no problem sanctioning this AP as long as it is sanctioned for "campaign mode" (since non-mythic PFS characters may have trouble fighting mythic monsters) and as long as no mythic stuff leaks onto the chronicle sheets (as some people seem to be concerned about mythic rules in PFS). Has there been any decision on this?
I wouldn't worry too much about mythic. I've now played in an AP (and have now found myself in another game where mythic tiers are spammed to death) where mythic tiers were added by the GM to enemies to give them an edge. They were still thoroughly destroyed. And I do mean thoroughly. By characters that were being kept in check as a result of the GM, for the most part, enforcing Pathfinder Society rules on character creation. There were maybe one or two close calls, and those were caused for the most part by environmental issues. Or the party goofing on something. I sorta think it'd be fun to see the introduction of APs where things are already mythic by default, and plan to keep track of this topic very closely to see if my wish ever gets granted.
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Currently, there is no plans to sanction WotR or the 3.5 APs. John and I may discuss at a later date and decide to move forward with those, but it isn't currently something we are considering.Hmm. Well, six months to sanction the existing APs (per Jessica's post above), then at least six months to sanction the 3.5 modules ... I'll pester you in a year, then. ;)
Are the APs after WotR going to be sanctioned? (I'm not sure if it's being excepted because it's Mythic, or for some other reason.)
Who knows? Maybe ask again in February.
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I know people have been apprehensive about Wrath of the Righteous sanctioning because it involves mythic but I see no problem sanctioning this AP as long as it is sanctioned for "campaign mode" (since non-mythic PFS characters may have trouble fighting mythic monsters) and as long as no mythic stuff leaks onto the chronicle sheets (as some people seem to be concerned about mythic rules in PFS). Has there been any decision on this?I wouldn't worry too much about mythic. I've now played in an AP where mythic tiers were added by the GM to enemies to give them an edge. They were still thoroughly destroyed. And I do mean thoroughly. By characters that were being kept in check as a result of the GM, for the most part, enforcing Pathfinder Society rules on character creation. There were maybe one or two close calls, and those were caused for the most part by environmental issues. Or the party goofing on something. I sorta think it'd be fun to see the introduction of APs where things are already mythic by default, and plan to keep track of this topic very closely to see if my wish ever gets granted.
I don't know how good of a gm you have, but I am currently running the Mythic AP. We are on book 2 with 5 players and without changing a thing my well optimized group have had their butts kicked a couple times and had to flee. Just because your experience with mythic was poor doesn't mean every experience with mythic is poor.
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I don't know how good of a gm you have, but I am currently running the Mythic AP. We are on book 2 with 5 players and without changing a thing my well optimized group have had their butts kicked a couple times and had to flee. Just because your experience with mythic was poor doesn't mean every experience with mythic is poor.I know people have been apprehensive about Wrath of the Righteous sanctioning because it involves mythic but I see no problem sanctioning this AP as long as it is sanctioned for "campaign mode" (since non-mythic PFS characters may have trouble fighting mythic monsters) and as long as no mythic stuff leaks onto the chronicle sheets (as some people seem to be concerned about mythic rules in PFS). Has there been any decision on this?I wouldn't worry too much about mythic. I've now played in an AP where mythic tiers were added by the GM to enemies to give them an edge. They were still thoroughly destroyed. And I do mean thoroughly. By characters that were being kept in check as a result of the GM, for the most part, enforcing Pathfinder Society rules on character creation. There were maybe one or two close calls, and those were caused for the most part by environmental issues. Or the party goofing on something. I sorta think it'd be fun to see the introduction of APs where things are already mythic by default, and plan to keep track of this topic very closely to see if my wish ever gets granted.
That's not exactly what I meant. I was simply saying mythic tiers aren't as bad as people seem to have been making them out to be as of late. It was not meant as a generalized statement.
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For what it is worth, I would much rather see Season 0 scenarios get fully converted to PF over 3.5 modules. (Yes I know this has be discussed ad nauseam for the past 3 years.)
Unless the 3.5 modules are re-printed with the PF rule conversion, I don't see it worth while to sanction them "as is". People are already having a problem trying to figure out how conversions go on the fly with Season 0's. Some of the those 3.5 modules have custom monsters and abilities that might not have a PF counterpart.
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That's not exactly what I meant. I was simply saying mythic tiers aren't as bad as people seem to have been making them out to be as of late. It was not meant as a generalized statement.I don't know how good of a gm you have, but I am currently running the Mythic AP. We are on book 2 with 5 players and without changing a thing my well optimized group have had their butts kicked a couple times and had to flee. Just because your experience with mythic was poor doesn't mean every experience with mythic is poor.I know people have been apprehensive about Wrath of the Righteous sanctioning because it involves mythic but I see no problem sanctioning this AP as long as it is sanctioned for "campaign mode" (since non-mythic PFS characters may have trouble fighting mythic monsters) and as long as no mythic stuff leaks onto the chronicle sheets (as some people seem to be concerned about mythic rules in PFS). Has there been any decision on this?I wouldn't worry too much about mythic. I've now played in an AP where mythic tiers were added by the GM to enemies to give them an edge. They were still thoroughly destroyed. And I do mean thoroughly. By characters that were being kept in check as a result of the GM, for the most part, enforcing Pathfinder Society rules on character creation. There were maybe one or two close calls, and those were caused for the most part by environmental issues. Or the party goofing on something. I sorta think it'd be fun to see the introduction of APs where things are already mythic by default, and plan to keep track of this topic very closely to see if my wish ever gets granted.
Most of the stuff you folks thought had mythic tiers didn't. :P
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Currently, there is no plans to sanction WotR or the 3.5 APs. John and I may discuss at a later date and decide to move forward with those, but it isn't currently something we are considering.
Thanks, I was really just looking for an update on where all of these projects were.
For what it is worth, I would much rather see Season 0 scenarios get fully converted to PF over 3.5 modules. (Yes I know this has be discussed ad nauseam for the past 3 years.)
Unless the 3.5 modules are re-printed with the PF rule conversion, I don't see it worth while to sanction them "as is". People are already having a problem trying to figure out how conversions go on the fly with Season 0's. Some of the those 3.5 modules have custom monsters and abilities that might not have a PF counterpart.
I've never looked through the 3.5 modules but having run all but one Season 0 scenario, I really don't think it's that hard to convert on the fly. If a monster has the same CR, just use the PF version. If not you can sometimes just run them as written or simply make minor tweaks. All 3.5 monsters can be found online so I just printed the stats off before-hand.
It would be nice to see 3.5 scenarios and modules updated but it takes a lot of work. In my opinion it would be far easier and less time-consuming to simply put out an errata page where suggestions are made for updating to the new system (i.e. swapping out monsters or abilities). This would be far easier than rewriting them completely and would make the "converting on the fly" process easier for the GM.
3.5 modules would have to be a module-by-module decision. I'm sure some of them could be run as-written "season 0" style. Others might require an errata page. Either way, it's a big task and not high on the list of priorities so I'm not too upset but I would like to see it happen one of these days.
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Currently, there is no plans to sanction WotR or the 3.5 APs. John and I may discuss at a later date and decide to move forward with those, but it isn't currently something we are considering.
Majorly disappointing. It seems so silly to invest an entire year's worth of scenarios into a new Adventure Path's theme if they aren't going to cross-support each other.
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Since this got brought up again, I'd like to revive a suggestion that I brought up in the earlier thread on this subject.
The simplest and quickest way to sanction the backlog of modules and APs would be to give a fixed amount of gold for them, consummate with the level range of the module (say, 1500 for a Tier 1-2), and don't bother trying to list the items found. I get the feeling that the list of items found is probably the part that is taking a long time.
If the design team wished to make interesting chronicles for these books, perhaps the easier way would be to add the stat blocks for the unique items and spells contained within the AP. For example, we are currently doing Carrion Crown. Book 1 features the Haunt Siphon and the Spirit Planchette. If the chronicle contained the stat block for those items, that would take up the entirety of the center column and make it more realistic that those items would see play in PFS. As it stands, few people are willing to purchase a $13 AP segment for the purposes of using a single item unless they are GMming the AP. Just an idea.
As for the old 3.5 modules, the same approach could be taken If there are no unique items, a simple, narrow boon could be used.
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The part that takes a lot of time is determining what part should be sanctioned, and coming up with interesting boons.
I would estimate between 6-10 hours of work per book to pull out relevant information and determine what to sanction. I don't know if there would be interest in volunteers, but I'll do a write up for the first book of WoR and give my opinions on how to handle mythic/pfs.
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The main problem is the undead. They have different HD in 3.5, so the HP difference is huge.
There is PF equivelents, but should we use the HP from 3.5 or from the PF entry.
If the CR of the 3.5 monster and the Pathfinder monster is the same, then you may use the Pathfinder version at your discretion (if you do so, you use the entire statblock, including hit points).
With enough people talking about the 3.5 conversions, would it be quicker and the best interest have the masses submit the conversions. Most folks have already done it, and it would streamline a lot of the work for the paizo developers.
Just thinking off the cuff here.
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With enough people talking about the 3.5 conversions, would it be quicker and the best interest have the masses submit the conversions. Most folks have already done it, and it would streamline a lot of the work for the paizo developers.
Just thinking off the cuff here.
If they were willing to accept community-supported stuff, a lot of things would already be done. They aren't, for what I'm sure is a long list of reasons that someone will post in response to this. :P
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Benris: With the old modules, I assume the whole thing would be sanctioned. With the APs, my strategy would be to flip through and look for the big map. That's probably the part that should be sanctioned if it's going to be offered both in PFS mode and Campaign mode. It might be easier to just offer the old ones as Campaign mode, though.
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Fair, I was speaking to APs, I would also like to see more modules, they are fun to run.
I don't think it makes sense to sanction things without having the playable with pathfinder society characters.
Sanctioned Portion Wrath of the Righteous: The Worldwound Incursion
Part 4 – conclusion.
Level Range 4-6 6775 GP
Imbued with the magic of a Wardstone: After the Wardstone shattered and it’s remaining magical power imbued you with a power you have never felt before. You have gained a small amount of mythic power, as you progress through the Wrath of the Righteous Adventure Path you will tap into more of your mythic potential and gain more abilities to use mythic power on.
You gain one use of Mythic Power per day.
Surge – Attack rolls: The most basic manifestation, and the first one you have mastered, is the ability to alter fate to a small degree. You may spend 1 Mythic Power as a free action to add 1d6 to any attack roll you just made.
Surge – Stabilization: If you are knocked unconscious you may spend one mythic power (no action) to automatically stabilize.
The plan is to give 1 additional mythic power, and 2 additional ways to use it for the first 3 chronicles.
Book 2 forward is slightly trickier. My suggestion for handling the “mythic” powers is simply to give PFS characters the Advanced template (based on what I have seen, that is more than enough to fight effectively vs the mythic enemies.)