Okay. I look forward to tomorrow.
Thanks for quick reply.
Grant
+1 - Ti'Itza
I'm interested in this as well. Mainly as I have never looked at the Downtime rules before Tatiana brought them up. They seem a bit complicated at first but are really neat.
I believe everyone is down with Round 7(?) actions.
Seraph and Ti are holding their actions as is.
I changed mine as I was mistaken, again. >.<;
I have downloaded the maps as well for ease of access.
Looking forward to moving forward. No rush as we can discuss stuff here in the meantime. :)
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Sorry of the delay. I was doing "homework".
Want to check something with you.
I have been reviewing and reading and understanding the Kingdom Building rules in the KingMaker Adventure Path, the Ultimate Campaign Book and the Ultimate Rulership Book and... I don't like them. I don't care.
I have just read the Downtime rules in the Ultimate Campaign Book and... I don't like them, I don't care.
Using the "Rules As Written" Sloboda couldn't be as big as it is now. We should be doing much more "paperwork" about it. Many things won't make sense, and others would be very different. But I feel fine with Sloboda as it is (a collection of Baronies) and it makes much more sense to me as what the rules would allow.
As for the Downtime rules it seems like a very fast and easy way to make a mess of things and unbalance the game. No thank, but no thanks.
So, I want to make two proposals:
1) Lets forget about the Kingdom Building rules. I know Corerue spend a lot of time doing the paperwork for us, and I thank him for it, but I don't think we need it to make a good game. The Kingdom will grow and prosper with your actions, using the "Baronies" system we are using, but that's it.
2) About cities, you can ask to build one, and make the map and everything, with stuff "magically" happening, not using the rules. You tell me how you want your city, and I tell you want you need (including time). I would like each one of you (that desires so) to have your own city in your own barony - Baron and Cohort apart if you want).
3) In your "city" you can have your house / mansion. You can make the plans for it. I tell you want you need for it to happen (including time).
4) Each of you (if you want, Baron and Cohort apart) can have one business. Same deal.
5) Each of you can have one organization (not business, Baron and Cohort apart). Same deal.
Voluntary, or course. Several of you can work in the same one if you want. Or not have any, if you don't want.
What do you think? Sounds good? Prefer for us to stick to the RAW?
I'm fine with either or, but your proposal seems simple enough so I say we should give it a try.
However I am not sure if I will take you up on all you offer as Running a barony, a business and an organization seems like a lot of work depending on the character. But I will think on it more.
As stated before. Lets give your proposal a shot.
Granted there isn't much of a place for Xi and (eventually) Ni'Tir to call their barony yet so they are freeloading in Trivium. ;)
Oh understood boss man. Some of these rules don't transfer easilty to Pbp format. Good for the table but not really the forum. =/
I personally am terrible at the bookkeeping that would be required. I had fun with the maps for the city in one Kingmaker campaign that is currently somewhere in a semi-inactive status.
My only question is how you will work things if we do not use the buildings (walls, garrison, castle, etc) when our cities are attacked? I do not know how much you plan on changing, although it is clear that you are mixing up a lot.
I personally found the Downtime system to be a bit convoluted but easy enough to utilize once you figured it out.
However. Your proposals are sound although I agree with Halcorg's question and look forward to your answer.
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Well, let's think Trivium.
You tell me: we want a City Hall, medium size, a temple for Desna, one for Arshea, a pier, a noble village, a marketplace, a stone wall and that is it.
You also give me a nice drawing / map for it.
I tell you: OK, in what order want it build? Where do you get the stones for the wall?
I also get all the "vacant" lots and tell you who and what want to build there (a store, a factory, houses, a brothel, etc) and you tell me if you allow it and we deal with the consequences of you decision.
I say we experiment with Trivium. What do you have in mind for the city after 6 months?
I have all the icons from the basic Kingmaker imported into MapTools and have put together a series of grids for the city based on the basic Kingmaker 4x4 x 9x9 grid.
This one is from another campaign, but if I know what we are building, it is pretty easy to put them together. I tend to use security on the files, but as long as I have people's email, it is east to give you all access.
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Yes, do something like that for Trivium plans...
By the Way, Trivium has the Shrike River on three sides, east, north and west or east, south and west depending on the side of the river you want it.
You could also use THIS.
I like your baronies idea. Kingdom building has too many rules fro pbp.
cheers
I'm going camping until Sunday, so bot me.
cheers
No worries Corsario. After all, we are building a Kingdom ;)
No Problems, working away on these characters.
Great job on combat every.
Seraph you got lucky lol. Two Aoo and Two Crits?! How did you manage that?
Neji
Very nice post, took me sometime to figure it out. Being the new guy and all.
Didn't realize Summoners were so cool.
Tatiana is leveled to 7th. She took Leadership, but I haven't figured out who the cohort will be: Akios, Topper Red, etc?
lol three characters! That would be crazy!
Huh. Three characters.
I think I will save the cohort for some cool NPC that shows up if that is possible. Maybe through diplomatic efforts or some sort of arrangement I can make them my companion. Sound good?
Yeh, I don't have the energy for another. Will probably find an NPC as a cohort.
Thanks for the warning.
With the Leadership bonus, Tatiana will take Craft Magic Armor and Weapons. She does not actually forge anything. She just blesses it, first with Masterwork Transformation then Craft Magic A&W.
cheers
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Ok, status information.
- Good news: I am handling out ok even without reliable home internet, and it seems like a land-line broadband internet is in the horizon.
- Bad news: (For my gaming, anyway). I got promoted (no pay raise, but yes recognition!), so I am taking over more responsibilities and facing some learning curve.
- Bad news: Health issues at home. Not me, but will take some time for my part.
- Bad news: I feel surpassed. 9 players,, 18 characters, a great campaign. Damn it is complex to manage. I feel at the limit of my capacity (maybe a little over it).
- Good news: I am not going anywhere. I love our game, I love your characters, I love the history. I am here for the long run.
So:
- I need to be more organized and efficient.
- I will need to ease off a little bit with the posting.
- I need to find a way to deal with all the characters which is quick, but at the same time gives you all a change show your stuff. Make it fun for you as well as me.
That is what I am working on. That is where we are standing right now.
My ideas so far:
- Drop the Kingdom Building and Downtime mechanics and do it in a more "organic" way.
- Level the cohort to the same power level (or almost) than the Barons and let them all mix and match. No two separate groups of characters but one "pool" we can use.
- Reduce the number of DM controlled NPC's (we don't need them anyway). Keep the existing ones, but try not to introduce new ones.
- Focus on big encounters instead of small "downtimes". You can do the downtimes on your own.
As for the treasure of the Stag Lord battle. I won't make a list of 1,001 items you find, but give you a gp number. You all will have the same "wealth", so you can change or replace items and whatnot, but get to the same value.
Roll drums:
Gold: 24,000 GP (including everything)
Items Limit:
1 up to 10,000 GP
1 up to 5,000 GP
All the rest up to 2,500 GP
Maximum 8 magic items (all prices ranges), not counting wands, potions or scrolls.
2 wands maximum
10 potions/scrolls maximum
OR
25% of their wealth on weapons
25% on armor and protective devices
25% on other magic items
15% on disposable items like potions, scrolls, and wands
10% on ordinary gear and coins.
Note: If fact you all have a +3 leadership bonus for the calculations (great renown and whatnot).
I assume with the players and cohorts, we should be able to purchase at 1/2 price since most stuff can be easily crafted? If not, please let us know.
Does this 24k include the items we already have? Or is it 24k new for each of us? I assume the former, but would happily take the later.
Sounds good to me, will have to do some calculating to determine what Tarina can get.
People, just a heads up.
My girls' Summer vacations have began this week, so my posting may become sparse at times. My apologies in advance if it happens.
I will be usually around, and can probably keep up, but kids + Summer + Vacations = Mostly unpredictable ;)
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Unless you teach them how to play. :)
Ok... Leadership feat changes.
The feat will grant you:
- A cohort, an Heroic NPC (uses the NPC (Heroic) Wealth) two levels less than the character. No need to make it very detailed (but fell free to flesh it out as far as you want). You can also get a "Ready-made" NPC, for example, of the correct level.
- An organization. The level and number of followers use the normal leadership feat numbers (you get +3 to your leadership score). Danath's and Seraph's "Dragonflight" is an example (but now they can have 2 "armies").
- A business. An Inn, a temple, a library, a trading post.
Not mandatory, only if you want, only as fleshed out as you want. I am afraid I won't be using the Cohorts and Organizations as much as I could (lack of time). But I will try to do it sometimes. And they could come handy later. Let you imagination fly.
And yes, it is one for the "Barons" and one for the "Cohorts" (I need to come out with better names).
I'm thinking of taking Topper Red or Akios as a cohort. Do you have their builds? Or the things that you don't want changed if I build them?
cheers
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For Topper Red it is: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/npc-s/npc-4/court-poet-human-bard-5
Sounds appropriate for Tatiana.
About Akiros, he was an Erastil paladin level 1, became an ex-paladin, now a Barbarian, and I don't have his Stats. If somebody wants him as cohort fell free to make up his stats (including class) from scratch. No need to take into account his past.
Gotcha.
Not sure who/what I will take for Xi'Tir. =/
Was paizo down for anyone else?
Still working on leveling, not sure on new cohort yet. none of the NPC's fit with my characters atm.
Will post when completed thanks for the heads up Corsario.
I am pretty clueless for Halcorg. I suppose most of the swords seem to love him, and Akiros might follow him. I really do not have the time to create another character at this point, but will try to get something put together.
Seraph will maybe take Akiro's under her wing or one (or all) of the swords as lieutenants/officers. As she more or less officially takes full command of the Silver Dragonflight.
This will get interesting...
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Well I wanted the swords to found the "musketeers" of Sloboda, but fell free to get them as cohorts, if you want.
The stats for all of them are the same: Google Docs PDF
I've put up a previsional version of Daliedhur at level 7, with the loot rules and changes after the Stag Lord combat - still finishing the review though.
Will have some details on Leadership later today ;)
I think my followers are going to be running my transportation/distribution business. I'll start with a caravan crew for each of my six followers = 24 hires and six stable-like structures. (= about 12k according to the downtime)
They are "family" (Gasparo, Balfori, and Meeks) who went up against a gang tied to the Sczarni in the Rag's End district of Magnimaar... looking for a new beginning.
As for loot, I will try to get my hands on 2 iron spikes of safe passage, and an instant bridge.
Not sure about my cohort. Possibly Edry Meeks...
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Daliedhur: Where did you put the Level 7 "preview". I love movie trailers!
Mulray: Let's change that, if you are ok... Instead of the structures you get the caravans, carts and crew, leaded by your followers. You become the distribution and commerce hub of Sloboda. As for the cohort, using a PC of another adventure is a great idea!
Heck... I didn't save the changes... Will repost it on alias ASAP.
Man, one day and 24 new posts.
Is it always this busy? lol...