Half-construct / Half-elemental....What would it be?

[Fake Healer]

Looking for what this would be called type-wise. Is it a Half-construct with the outsider subtype or something? I need to know for a race I am constructing.

[MordredofFairy]

Best source for this kind of thing:

Amalgam Creatures

Construct overrules everything else. So it would be a construct.

Because technically, what you are creating IS an amalgam-creature.

[Fake Healer]

this is more for a PC race, not a creature, so I need to know what it would be.

[Durngrun Stonebreaker]

Construmental?

[Bizbag]

Isn't this already what a Golem is?

[Rynjin]

An Abomination against nature.

[Darksol the Painbringer]

If we're talking type, I'd rule it'd be a Native Outsider with ties to the respective plane, as well as granting it Construct Traits.

Simultaneously, it's also contradictory since Constructs are immune to Magic, whereas Elementals are comprised almost solely of Magic. If anything, such a combination would be physically impossible. But this is fantasy, so...

As far as giving it a type name, you could call it a Guardian; it's simple yet provides the basic generalizations of what both types generally represent.

Another idea is you could go with different combinations of the two entities, such as Cold/Ice, Fire/Iron, Acid/Wood, and Electricity/Glass. So you have a Frigid Golem, a Burning Golem, a Corrosive Golem, and a Reflective Golem, respectively.

Hope that helps!

[MordredofFairy]

Fake Healer wrote:

this is more for a PC race, not a creature, so I need to know what it would be.

So what?

A "Elf" or "Gnome" is also a creature, and they also were in bestiarys.
Heck, Humans are "Creatures" despite being a PC Race, too.

The table is not only applicable for fusions or for NPC Races.

Quote:

An amalgam is two different monsters brought together into one being by either magic or selective breeding. The amalgam template can be used to create a new race to replace a standard one...

It shows which type trumps which other types.

If making it a plain construct because Construct trumps everything else is not good enough for you, just say so, but technically, you got the rules laid out for you. It would be a construct, but since it's a free-willed hybrid, probably a lifesparked one.

Since you enter the realm of homebrew anyway, there's no reason to go with them, but then, if you got your mind already set, there's also no reason to ask.

[Fake Healer]

Mordred, I get that it would probably be classified as a construct but is there a difference in what subtype it would be due to the elemental part or does that not get counted as part of the type? That is where I am confused.
Wasn't trying to sound snippy, text is a hard medium to show intent with.

[Bizbag]

Subtypes are usually only associated with the base type, but the Amalgam entry doesn't make mention of them. I'd say go for it. Your pc race (say, an elf) would be a Construct (elf), would be subject to Elf Bane, but not Charm Person.

[Darksol the Painbringer]

Fake Healer wrote:

Mordred, I get that it would probably be classified as a construct but is there a difference in what subtype it would be due to the elemental part or does that not get counted as part of the type? That is where I am confused.

Wasn't trying to sound snippy, text is a hard medium to show intent with.

It's a lot like special materials. Only the most prevalent special material is used. If the creature is more Golem than Elemental, then it's a Construct with some Elemental Traits added on to it. If it's more Elemental than Golem, then it's an Outsider with ties to the respective plane with some Construct Traits added on to it. Whichever one you prefer to view it as, that's how it'd be classified.

You'd also include clauses that the creature is considered both Construct and Elemental for the purposes of spells and effects that affect those types/subtypes to symbolize that it is of both types. A lot like how a Half-Orc is considered both Human and Orc for the purposes of spells and effects that affect them.

[Fake Healer]

Darksol the Painbringer wrote:

Fake Healer wrote:

Mordred, I get that it would probably be classified as a construct but is there a difference in what subtype it would be due to the elemental part or does that not get counted as part of the type? That is where I am confused.

Wasn't trying to sound snippy, text is a hard medium to show intent with.

It's a lot like special materials. Only the most prevalent special material is used. If the creature is more Golem than Elemental, then it's a Construct with some Elemental Traits added on to it. If it's more Elemental than Golem, then it's an Outsider with ties to the respective plane with some Construct Traits added on to it. Whichever one you prefer to view it as, that's how it'd be classified.

You'd also include clauses that the creature is considered both Construct and Elemental for the purposes of spells and effects that affect those types/subtypes to symbolize that it is of both types. A lot like how a Half-Orc is considered both Human and Orc for the purposes of spells and effects that affect them.

Cool, thanks. The construct would be more what I am aiming a(slightly) so just a construct type with elemental stuff tacked on. Excellent.

[Lincoln Hills]

As a from-the-gut rule, I'd say that if you intend to apply all the special abilities/immunities of one of the types, that's the type to use; and if you intend to include the abilities/immunities inherent to both types, the type with the larger number of such special modifiers is probably the go-to.

3.5 used to have an actual hierarchy of types for use in cases like this, but I don't remember where it was printed - Savage Species?

As a last note - your planned combo probably shouldn't have an elemental's immunity to sneak attack damage unless it's totally amorphous.