Well, Hulk and Cap are both super-powered without any known Terrigen/Inhuman genes there, so there is non-inhuman power sources. It's also going to be interesting to see if they are going to keep the radioactive/genetically engineered spider for Spiderman's powers, as he isn't inhuman either.
There is also no basis in reality that explains what Daredevil and Stick is able to do, nor Jessica Jones or Kilgrave. All of whom have no connection to the Inhumans and had their powers before the fish oil dousing.
Daredevil, JJ, and Luke Cage's power origins are all explained in JJ.
Daredevil, JJ, and Luke Cage's power origins are all explained in JJ.Well, Hulk and Cap are both super-powered without any known Terrigen/Inhuman genes there, so there is non-inhuman power sources. It's also going to be interesting to see if they are going to keep the radioactive/genetically engineered spider for Spiderman's powers, as he isn't inhuman either.
There is also no basis in reality that explains what Daredevil and Stick is able to do, nor Jessica Jones or Kilgrave. All of whom have no connection to the Inhumans and had their powers before the fish oil dousing.
Well JJ is...It's not clear to me at all that IGN is necessarily involved in the origin story of Daredevil or Luke Cage. Plenty of mad science to be found in the Marvel comics, and I expect the same to be true of the MCU
I'm not sure what you mean here. What major events haven't happened? What couldn't be rewritten? Hulk, Iron Man, Scarlet Witch, Vision, Ultron... they've all had major parts of their backstory completely updated and rewritten.
Magneto was in the Holocaust... but frankly 1) that was a retcon back in the 70's and 80's anyway that didn't show up for years after he appeared. and 2) I'm sure they could find SOME way to say his powers slowed his aging or something... they're going to have to do that eventually ANYWAY..
Remember the school started small, 5 students and one professor. That's pretty much how it started in the 60's. Most of the normal people weren't aware of the mutants till the X-men and Magneto made the idea public.
This doesn't resemble what people have come to associate with the X-Men, and there have already been a decent series of movies going over both the origin story and what people now expect Xavier's School to be.
AND, we're already getting that exact thing with the inhumans. Lincoln and his buddies have had their powers for years and living under the radar because to do otherwise would be to freak people out. Their little Commune was little more then Xavier's school for the gifted... Teach them to use the powers before letting them out into the real world again. Same principle.
Their little commune was able to stay hidden because they were only giving powers to people within it. They had a controlled environment. They weren't random teenagers suddenly blowing up schools. In fact, what we are seeing with the Inhumans is the public becoming aware of powers for the first time. So they stole a primary plot from the mutants
I don't really agree. Except for the part about Inhumans serving the same function. That's kind of the point. Inhumans are Humans, raised by humans... who have a little something extra in their DNA and now are sprouting powers. Some are weak sauce, some are pretty epic.What works in an inconsistent sprawling comic universe no one can keep track of is not going to necessarily work in the cinematic universe where you have a lot less time to devote and can't branch out as much. Not to mention if they let things get too out of hand then they can no longer bank on people consuming everything. Having 2 groups that have practically the same origins, plots, and power sets but be that different is not conducive to maintaining a coherent story the general public will follow.
The 'mutant' power scale is already here. We're gonna see people like Black Bolt who can wipe cities with a whisper. we've had cosmic cubes and we're working toward infinity gauntlets... Doctor Strange... Every movie or series that comes out is going to escalate the power up.
Taking the O5 X-men or even the Giant Sized #1 really isn't much we haven't already seen.
Right now those things are rare and unique. There is a difference if you have 1 major player added vs if you add dozens. The whole point of the X-Men is that they are a team. They not only double the number of good guys, but most of them are of a higher power scale than the existing characters.
On a separate note... I'm drawing a blank now. Were we given any backstory on Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch? I know 'He's fast and She's Weird'... city destroyed by stark weapons... and I know they weren't called mutants. But was any OTHER explaination given? Inhumans were just starting up? science experiment? Toxic Waste? Or was that just left 'mysterious'?
Post credit easter egg. They were Hydra experiments with the staff.
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Cool episode, but I’m a bit underwhelmed….
The rest of the castle team was really great as well. Mack stepping up in a big way made me glad they keep him around. The witty comments by Hunter always help to lighten otherwise serious and/or horrid moments, which I like. Bobbi continues to be a serious hottie and engine of destruction. It was awesome when Simmons unleashed Lash, but not at all surprising when he slaughtered the other inhumans – something Simmons will find herself feeling a little guilty over, methinks.
It was the otherworld stuff I found a little…meh. They could have done a lot more with that – maybe have IT hitting the explorers with psychic attacks, all the while travelling in their midst. Although, with the revelation that IT is actually some kind of parasitic worm/thing, maybe it doesn’t really have psychic abilities. Maybe IT just possesses people and makes them do bad s%~+. Maybe it has a single host, but can break itself apart and take control of multiple people – that would be very fitting, seeing as this thing seems to be the embodiment of Hydra’s reason for being.
Or, maybe not. From what I saw (and maybe I’m misinterpreting it), IT may only be able to take full control of dead bodies (yet another reason for the whole “death” theme). IT said that Will died saving Simmons. So IT had been in Will’s body since probably not long after Simmons was rescued. Then, at the end, we saw IT in Ward’s reanimated body, back on Earth. And maybe that was the secret of IT being able to get back to Earth. Maybe they weren’t sending sacrifices all those centuries. Maybe they were sending it bodies to wear. Only IT would kill them too quickly, and they would be no good to travel back through the portal. IT needed something……fresher. Which Ward and Coulson so conveniently supplied.
That was, ultimately, one of my other problems with the otherworld stuff - they gave us some more tantalizing tidbits of information about IT, but nothing concrete (unless I missed it) except that it's a worm thing moving from body to body. I did love the bits about the nine cities on the planet, and how they warred with each other. It was a nice parallel to the whole "nine realms" from Thor.
Speaking of which……the interactions between Ward and Coulson were great. They were just one other thing about the otherworld visit I wish they had expanded on. And that final fight…with Coulson crushing Ward’s chest with his prosthetic hand? DAMN! That was f&&~ing bad ass!!! I can see now, however, just why they said Ward would be the BIG BAD of the season – because IT has ITself a brand new Ward suit, and is teaming up with his little minion Gideon to bring some death and destruction to our lovely planet.
Either way, I look forward to the remainder of the season.
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Mack as Director... random thought: give him an eyepatch, and I can see him being a decent Sam Jackson replacement in the long-run. Is he being set-up for *permanent* Director of SHIELD? Again, with an eyepatch, I think he would definitely fit the Nick Fury mold (similarly or even more authoritative that Sam Jackson's Fury if you ask me, and in that way, fits the cartoons or comics Fury a bit better)
Long story short: I'll take Mack (with or without eyepatch, but preferably with eyepatch :) ) as Director of SHIELD any day above Coulson.
Coulson needs to be demoted to Agent, or killed again by Loki... or evolve to some kind of robot/LMD superhero type with its own issues or adventures. He doesn't exude a "boss of SHIELD" vibe to me, and he's now going on missions and stuff, and acting all crazy-like...
:( Ward will be in the rest of the season.
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Mack as Director... random thought: give him an eyepatch, and I can see him being a decent Sam Jackson replacement in the long-run. Is he being set-up for *permanent* Director of SHIELD? Again, with an eyepatch, I think he would definitely fit the Nick Fury mold (similarly or even more authoritative that Sam Jackson's Fury if you ask me, and in that way, fits the cartoons or comics Fury a bit better)
Long story short: I'll take Mack (with or without eyepatch, but preferably with eyepatch :) ) as Director of SHIELD any day above Coulson.
Coulson needs to be demoted to Agent, or killed again by Loki... or evolve to some kind of robot/LMD superhero type with its own issues or adventures. He doesn't exude a "boss of SHIELD" vibe to me, and he's now going on missions and stuff, and acting all crazy-like...
Maybe Mack would make a good Nick Fury Jr. That would be an interesting revelation.
And while I like Coulson, I have to agree that he's been iffy as Director lately. Although I think he has some good moments, in this latest episode, Mack made a good tactical commander impression.
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:( Ward will be in the rest of the season.I'm getting the feeling that he'll be there as long as this show exists... and one day *may* be taken down if the show concludes (by a SHIELD member) or in a movie (by Winter Soldier, Punisher, Daredevil, or hopefully Graviton)
I'm not so sure.
They could bring the true Ward back one day, I suppose. This is a comic book universe after all. Maybe if Hydra has some cloning technology hidden away somewhere? Then they could also bring back Baron Strucker, whose death I thought was entirely premature and wasteful in Age of Ultron.
Honestly, it would be kinda cool if they make up new stuff for the show. To me, inspired by is better than trying to mimic exactly.
:( Ward will be in the rest of the season.I'm getting the feeling that he'll be there as long as this show exists... and one day *may* be taken down if the show concludes (by a SHIELD member) or in a movie (by Winter Soldier, Punisher, Daredevil, or hopefully Graviton)I'm not so sure.
Spoiler:Yeah, it looks like Ward's body will be around for the rest of the season, but that's IT inside. He'll have Ward's memories (much the same way IT seemed to have Will's memories), but that's an entirely different character.They could bring the true Ward back one day, I suppose. This is a comic book universe after all. Maybe if Hydra has some cloning technology hidden away somewhere? Then they could also bring back Baron Strucker, whose death I thought was entirely premature and wasteful in Age of Ultron.
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I think the issue with IT not being able to come back was the nature of the portals themselves. Fitz and Simmons had to do a lot of calculations to figure out when and where the portals would appear. (Well, Fitz knew the when because he knew when HYDRA was supposed to reopen the portal, but he still had to calculate the where.)
I do agree that HYDRAs history of sending "sacrifices" through the portal at regular intervals was in order to
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**spoiler omitted **I think the issue with IT not being able to come back was the nature of the portals themselves. Fitz and Simmons had to do a lot of calculations to figure out when and where the portals would appear. (Well, Fitz knew the when because he knew when HYDRA was supposed to reopen the portal, but he still had to calculate the where.)
I do agree that HYDRAs history of sending "sacrifices" through the portal at regular intervals was in order to
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That reminds me of the Edgar suit bug in MIB. I like it.
He's too much of a whiny b#**& to be Pikachu.
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He's too much of a whiny b%@++ to be Pikachu.
I don't know. Pikachu is an entitled a$@@+$*. Take that away and I bet he would be a whiny b@~++ too.
See, I hear "Sparkplug" and I think Transformers.
That would imply that he's "more then meets the eye."
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I actually think ep10 was pretty great. I just caught up on the show after real life/ Jessica Jones got in the way (still only halfway through JJ). I liked the intensity. Felt like a lot of out of character stuff happened though.
Also, Fitz is just getting more and more awesome with time, which I love. Simmons, despite being initially more interesting (talking early season 1 here) is actually stagnated as a character.
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Agreed, Lord Snow. That characters story was written into a corner, and then the corner was written into a corner, and then it was set on fire and sank into the swamp.
But the fight was classic trope. 'This foes completely outclasses me in every way! But I'm angry/righteous, so I totally win and make it look easy! You can tell I'm the hero, because I win my battles the old-fashioned way, by not trying very hard since the writer's gonna let me win.' It was like a Flashback to the last season of Buffy. 'I'm going to do something that has failed before, and would logically never work this time either, but since there's only five minutes left in the episode, and I'm super pissed off, will totally work this time!'
And yeah, Fitz has grown as a character immensely. Simmons probably didn't need the help as much, based on initial popularity, but now she feels left behind, by comparison...
Agreed, Lord Snow. That characters story was written into a corner, and then the corner was written into a corner, and then it was set on fire and sank into the swamp.
But the fight was classic trope. 'This foes completely outclasses me in every way! But I'm angry/righteous, so I totally win and make it look easy! You can tell I'm the hero, because I win my battles the old-fashioned way, by not trying very hard since the writer's gonna let me win.' It was like a Flashback to the last season of Buffy. 'I'm going to do something that has failed before, and would logically never work this time either, but since there's only five minutes left in the episode, and I'm super pissed off, will totally work this time!'
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And yeah, Fitz has grown as a character immensely. Simmons probably didn't need the help as much, based on initial popularity, but now she feels left behind, by comparison...
Um...it was probably the fact that Ward was shot twice that helped Coulson win that fight. I would think being shot would hamper people.
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And yeah, Fitz has grown as a character immensely. Simmons probably didn't need the help as much, based on initial popularity, but now she feels left behind, by comparison...
My sentiment exactly. Used to be more of a Simmons fan but Fitz has more than caught up.
As for Coulson winning - something I really like about him is that he is not about playing fair or anything. Hack, he is 2/2 for killing major Hydra villains by shooting them in the back anticlimactically. That's why his behavior in this entire plot thread is very out of character. I mean hack, he didn't take it nearly as hard when it turned out Shield was a Hydra front and his entire life work crumbled in front of him - sure he was angry and made some rash decisions, but he was still much more of his cool self than the current version. And the writers didn't nearly earn the level of angst he went through because honestly,
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What's innocuous about the only woman you've tried to open up to in years being killed right in front of you during a date?
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We haven't. Phil has.
I was pointing out that it's bad writing to have the character be so invested in a romance that is underdeveloped and that the audience didn't really connect with yet. I mean it was a blink of the eye since we were finely convinced Rosalind wasn't evil, and now suddenly her death is the most shocking event in the life of Phil Coulson, director of post-Hydra Shield? Nope.
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Well, setback after setback eventually takes a toll. Often times in real life it's something innocuous that sets someone off.
And yeah, Fitz has grown as a character immensely. Simmons probably didn't need the help as much, based on initial popularity, but now she feels left behind, by comparison...My sentiment exactly. Used to be more of a Simmons fan but Fitz has more than caught up.
As for Coulson winning - something I really like about him is that he is not about playing fair or anything. Hack, he is 2/2 for killing major Hydra villains by shooting them in the back anticlimactically. That's why his behavior in this entire plot thread is very out of character. I mean hack, he didn't take it nearly as hard when it turned out Shield was a Hydra front and his entire life work crumbled in front of him - sure he was angry and made some rash decisions, but he was still much more of his cool self than the current version. And the writers didn't nearly earn the level of angst he went through because honestly,
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In that case he should either have lost it more gradually over events or we should have seen him restraining his anger more before. This strictly un-Coulson-like behavior came out of nowhere, to me.
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We haven't. Phil has.I was pointing out that it's bad writing to have the character be so invested in a romance that is underdeveloped and that the audience didn't really connect with yet. I mean it was a blink of the eye since we were finely convinced Rosalind wasn't evil, and now suddenly her death is the most shocking event in the life of Phil Coulson, director of post-Hydra Shield? Nope.
Personally, I connected with her more than most of the other characters this season. I think she was better developed than May was through the whole first season. Fitz was the only other character I liked more this season.
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^Exactly. Even if it was "innocuous" (and I still disagree...losing someone you're romantically involved with is no picnic, and a much more PERSONAL tragedy than most of the other things listed), all that stuff has been building up for a while.
If people haven't seen Coulson on the edge compared to early season 1, they haven't been paying attention.
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one thing to remember about Coulson... there's ALWAYS been more to him then what we see.
He's always kept that cool exterior... but then pull that trump card out that has him walking away from fights that he shouldn't have or being the last one standing. Takes out a monster and acts like it's just another day on the job.
Then he just grins and goes back to looking like the guy two cubicles over.
I felt that they kind of wanted to just bag that ATCU (or whatever the acronym that group uses) plotline and move on, and kind of rushed the job on that.
As for Coulson's reaction to Ward versus his overall reaction towards Hydra. Well...Hydra was always a big threat, but something Coulson just couldn't personally smash with his robo arm. With Ward its personal, and to be honest he probably is at least partially motivated by guilt at letting Ward remain alive for so long, when he has had multiple opportunities to take him out in the last few years.
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I agree w/a couple posters here: Phil has let stuff pile on for a while. We saw him vent once before, when they found the secret arctic base. But this was more personal.
I also agree: Ros and Phil didn't get that much on-screen development. But then, I think that helped up the shock value for me as a viewer. "Oh, how quaint. They're finally sharing that burger they... wait, what? Is that blood?" and then she's gone.
Now Phil has been very angry with EVERYTHING for a while now, but specifically Ward for a bit. He sent Hunter to end the man and was cheesed off that Hunter failed. Then a phone rings.
Whether the audience has seen it or not, you liked this woman and were finally vulnerable with her. You might've even loved her. Now you're on the floor with her bleeding out in your hands and the phone rings. Your mortal enemy, a man you hate enough to want dead, gets on the line and says "Nananana Boo Boo, Stick your head in Doo Doo, now we're even"
Oh yeah: there's that old crazy I've had stored in the back of my brain now.
To Set's point, the whole Phil punching his way through a Hydra squad, parachuting into otherworld and then crushing a man's chest until he dies thing is a tad tropey. But I have to admit for me it was satisfying. Phil's taken a lot on the chin over the years. Not only that but Ward is like a tick Phil just can't get rid of. Now, FINALLY he's got the man, shot him twice, and ended him.
Personally I feel for Phil. He's far more human, far more likable than most of the other characters. Ros was that way too. We didn't get to see much of their relationship onscreen, but we saw enough of Ros to know she and Phil were regular people.
By that I mean everyone else in the show acts like soldiers, or they have super powers, or they're action hero tropes and such. Ros and Phil are the classic Marvel set up: what if you drop totally normal humans into a world of super heroes?
Ros honestly believes she's helping save people. She's snarky, has a very personal story about her ex-husband and appeals to Daisy on a very human level despite not having ANY point of reference to what it is to be a mu... I mean Inhuman and to be hated and feared for your "gifts."
Bottom line: I like Phil. I liked him in his movie cameos. I liked his development in Avengers. I like him as the agent and later the director of SHIELD. I also like Ros. I like the actress in other roles she's had on Newsroom and other shows, and I like her character in this show.
Now she's gone and my buddy Phil has one more good thing taken from him. He's lost so much. He's sacrificed so much. Sure, it comes with the job but it's WARD. He was part of the team, part of the job; now he IS the job. I'm so sick and tired of this arrogant punk, taking whatever he wants and blaming everyone else for it. And now ROS? Right here, right in front of me? On our first... REAL... DATE?
No! The line must be drawn HERE and no further!
... Wait, that was another guy in charge that lost it over the "job." Nevermind...
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Identity of the Marvel villain Grant Ward has become on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. revealed
I'm taking this with a big grain of salt, but it seems interesting. I know absolutely nothing of the character mentioned.
I wonder if that will be true or not. I was hoping the alien would look like the Hydra symbol because it looks very Lovecraftian.
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Hmm. Interesting.
And he is dead. As 'Will' demonstrated, the creature is not the person it's wearing.
I'm equally happy the actor will be around a while longer. I enjoy his work and think he'll do a god job with this.
On Phil Coulson:
Coulson usually prefers to handle things with a bit more finesse, and may be a bit out of condition from his field days in some ways, but he's still an exceedingly good hand-to-hand fighter. And then there's the superhumanly strong metal hand, which is sort of an unfair advantage. Sure, he'd have no chance against May...but frankly neither did Ward. Ward's better in hand to hand by quite a bit, no doubt, but he'd been shot twice and Coulson's no slouch. Seems reasonable to me.
I'm also pretty much on board with how upset he was. I liked Rosalind, and understand why he would like her even more. And even if I didn't, she was killed specifically to get at him. That'll piss anyone off.