Paladins beating demons to death with thier own limbs

[Mikaze]

Okay, so if paladins can use Divine Bond on improvised weapons...

If a paladin severed or tore off a demon's arm and then used Divine Bond to give that arm holy and that arm still retains the demon's [Evil] subtype...

How does all this interact for the purpose of clubbing demons to death?

I promise I have not been drinking.

[phantom1592]

You can? I thought you needed 30 days to 'bond' with each new weapon...

unless this is the first time he gets it at... whatever level he gets it at.

would a severed arm last that long?

[Mikaze]

I want to say the 30 days thing applies only to recalibrating with your celestial spirit if the weapon it's currently bonded to is destroyed. Which honestly makes using the bond with a fragile improvised weapon a very bad idea, honestly.

[Madclaw]

I think the closest thing to be able to do this would be to add the redeemed property to the list of applicable weapon properties to the bonded weapon list.

Although the arm is [Evil] and not unholy, I feel like it's the closest approximation.

[Mikaze]

Madclaw wrote:

I think the closest thing to be able to do this would be to add the redeemed property to the list of applicable weapon properties to the bonded weapon list.

Although the arm is [Evil] and not unholy, I feel like it's the closest approximation.

And with the implications that brings I think I am going to start drinking...

[Madclaw]

Mikaze wrote:

Madclaw wrote:

I think the closest thing to be able to do this would be to add the redeemed property to the list of applicable weapon properties to the bonded weapon list.

Although the arm is [Evil] and not unholy, I feel like it's the closest approximation.

And with the implications that brings I think I am going to start drinking...

Always an acceptable response.

But I do like the logic chain of suddenly wielding a [Good] sub-typed demon arm!

[Yora]

Aren't creatures always able to overcome their own damage reduction?

[Kazaan]

For bonus points, find a way to graft the arm onto the Paladin in place of his own.

[Icyshadow]

Yora wrote:

Aren't creatures always able to overcome their own damage reduction?

If I remember my rules right, yes.

[The Shaman]

Yora wrote:

Aren't creatures always able to overcome their own damage reduction?

I think this was only for DR/magic. For alignment-based reduction, the natural attacks of outsiders are aligned to their type iirc.

But I have to say, the idea of a paladin going all hulk on some demons, picking one by the legs and whacking the others with it has some comedy merit.

Wait, what does happen if the paladin (presuming sufficient strenght) picks up a daemon to use as an improvised weapon and uses his celestial spirit ;) ?

[Kazaan]

Claw of the Heavenly Demon:

The Paladin, unconscious and near death from blood loss, couldn't be stabilized without drastic intervention. No cleric was available and she was losing blood fast from her shoulder where her left arm had been severed by the demon as she slew it valiantly. The wizard, in a panic, noticed one of the creature's arms lying nearby. He knew she'd be angry... but he couldn't let her die after she saved his life. He worked his magic as he never had before and was able to transmute the demon's arm to the Paladin's body, stemming the flow of blood. He wondered if he had done the right thing... if there was a right thing to do in this situation. He had never been particularly religious, not really currying favor with any particular deity, but he grasped her holy symbol, and prayed; "I'm not even sure who is listening, but please, just this once, hear me out. I'm not a pious man, but I try to do good where I can. This servant of yours, who's name I don't even know, risked her life to save mine and I couldn't let her die like this when it was in my power to save her. You may not have had this in mind for her, but please, don't punish her for my actions. If you must carry wrath against any mortal for this, visit it upon me."

Some time later, the Paladin awoke, dazed and confused. She expected to be dead after the injury she suffered. What was that dream? Her patron deity had come to her and told her that she carries a great power now... and a great burden. Just as animals can be domesticated and driven by the gentle will of Man, just as a sword can be used to defend, it is not the tool which is evil but the evil in the hearts of Men who allow tools to be used for evil. Use your tool for good in all things and never succumb to its influence. She didn't understand what this message meant... until she gazed upon her arm. No, not her arm, but an abominable thing sticking out of her shoulder. She wept at the malformed, unholy thing that had been attached her; a sinewy, clawed, gnarled thing. She reached for her blade and prayed for mercy as she made to lop the thing off, knowing full well that she'd bleed to death. But then, she remembered the words from her dream. Tools aren't evil so long as they are not used for evil. Use the tool for good, and even the arm of a demon may be redeemed in the end. She looked around, and saw the overturned cart belonging to the old man she had come to the aid of. After witnessing such a vile demon, she wouldn't blame him if he were still running, say nothing of coming back for his belongings. A trunk off the cart had spilled out some odds and ends, among them a long flowing robe. It looked charred, possibly damaged during the fight. Since it was damaged beyond repair, she tore scraps off from it and used them to wrap the new arm. She wasn't quite ready to think of it as her arm yet. She'd need to keep it well covered and only use it in times of dire need. Never in anger. She noticed that it felt strong. Far stronger than any arm should be. Trying it out, she found she could lift the entire cart with ease, as if lifting a pile of cloth. This was not a power to be taken lightly.

"If this arm was the arm of a demon, then I shall ascend it unto the Heavens and make it unto a Heavenly Demon, to redeem the poor, lost soul which had the misfortune of being twisted into such a beast. Poor, lost soul, who's name I don't even know, allow me to guide you in my ways and make your way back into the warm embrace of goodness and virtue." It may have been her imagination, but she thought she heard a voice... it sounded distant, and angry, but also sad in a way... and, oddly enough, thankful. The arm trembled slightly... she wasn't sure if that was her own action or not. This wasn't going to be an easy road, but she had been given a divine task. She gathered her things, and set back on the road... holding her holy symbol tight.

Benefits: You gain a +8 Strength bonus when using your demon arm (both to attack unarmed and if it wields a weapon), but you must deliver non-lethal damage on all attacks except to evil outsiders and undead (taking -4 penalty as appropriate). Attacks made with your non-demon arm are not restricted to non-lethal damage.

You can unleash your Demon's Claw for a number of rounds equal to half your paladin level plus your charisma bonus. This claw is a primary natural attack that deals 1d10 damage and bypasses DR/Evil and Chaotic. Using this attack against any other than an Evil or Chaotic Outsider or an Undead is a violation of your Paladin's Code, unless you use your Divine Bond class ability to give it the Redeemed property.

You treat your Strength score as 8 points higher in determining your carrying capacity when dragging, carrying, or lifting objects while employing your demon arm.

[LazarX]

Mikaze wrote:

Okay, so if paladins can use Divine Bond on improvised weapons...

If a paladin severed or tore off a demon's arm and then used Divine Bond to give that arm holy and that arm still retains the demon's [Evil] subtype...

How does all this interact for the purpose of clubbing demons to death?

I promise I have not been drinking.

Well, you start with the usual penalty for improvised weapons. You also start with something that has the broken condition.

It's a fairly stupid move unless the Paladin in question has no other option. I would say that the Paladin's endowment suppresses all other qualities of said arm, especially since it's no longer alive.

[Sissyl]

I wanna six-armed marilith arm flail...

[Icyshadow]

I just imagined Gurok the demon-spawn tiefling Sacred Servant of Ragathiel (which grants him the Rage Subdomain) managing to kill a Balor with its own torn-off arm. I don't know how many Balors we're going to face in Wrath of the Righteous, but I'd love to be able to do that if it wasn't too inconvenient.