How do you petition Paizo to ban dice apps?


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bugleyman wrote:
I can't stand squinty dice, so when GMing PFS, I use these (or something very similar).

Picked up a set of those for a friend. Called them his 'blind man dice'. :)

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Sorry for those stuck in the past but I loooooove my dice app. I run my game from my phone, so its a necessity for me. If someone showed up that was upset about it, I'd use real dice no problem, but get ready to wait as I double check my math. My gaming app is a second brain I use so I can focus on the parts of the game thay matter- the people around the table.

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Chris Rathunde wrote:
bugleyman wrote:
Jiggy wrote:
Seriously! I had no idea that prices for an infinite improbability drive had come down under a grand.
It was bound to happen sooner or later -- however improbable.
So all we have to do is figure out just how improbable it truly is, plug that number in, give it a nice fresh, hot cup of tea, and turn it on.

It has to be a 1 in a Million chance.


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Tim Statler wrote:
Chris Rathunde wrote:
bugleyman wrote:
Jiggy wrote:
Seriously! I had no idea that prices for an infinite improbability drive had come down under a grand.
It was bound to happen sooner or later -- however improbable.
So all we have to do is figure out just how improbable it truly is, plug that number in, give it a nice fresh, hot cup of tea, and turn it on.
It has to be a 1 in a Million chance.

Oh dear. That pretty much guarantees it's going to happen :)

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It seems to me that it should not matter, real dice or app dice rollers or whatever. As GM we are not out to win the game and we should be able to handle the rolls. If you think the player is cheating since you can not see what they are rolling or that they are pre-rolling until he gets a good number they ask him to roll him front of you from now on. Just bring the subject up should be enough. If they roll if front of you and still they get good rolls then so be it!

I have seen people roll real dice, some of the real small ones, there was no way I could read it. If I felt like there was something up I would ask to see the dice every once in a while that usually fixed the issue.

Most people that use the apps are not cheating, they are not out to break the game or be the best at the table. They just like to use there tech.....

As a note I use real dice Just like the feel of rolling them better

Shadow Lodge 5/5

I have a friend who has a Sound Striker throws 10 Wierd Words / Round

he has a Google Docs Application for Rolling his attacks / damage
but is also willing to drop the Dice on the Table if that is whats Requested of him(he has a matched set of 10d20's and 10d8's)

Just imagine the amount of Dice Rolling PER standard action

10d20, 10d8 (since its just easier to match Dice than Roll 1 at a time)

Calculate Hits

DM Rolls up to 10d20 for Saves

Apply DR(if any)

Calculate Damage ... thats 30 Dice Rolls in a Single Standard Action

Situations like this .. I would be agreeable to almost any kind of dice Rolling Tool that alleviated the time it takes to calculate this standard action

all I can say is thang God he didnt decide to go with Sneak attack

Edit - Do not think this is my agreeing to Dice apps or that I agree because he is my Friend

my statment in Summary is that if you show up to my table with a Sound Striker AND have a way to Minimize the Time that your turn takes ... you have a VERY Good Chance that I will Allow it

overall I am not a Fan of Dice apps .. and will do my best to discourage their use ... the sound striker is an exception

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zarconww wrote:
I think that Dice apps are not random.

Ironically the dice apps are probably far more random than actual dice.

Paizo is never going to ban dice apps.

Unless you are a experiencing a player who has a Mac, Xtools compiler, a custom dice roll app they wrote, then they are going to be random. For them to not be random, the developer would need to intentionally not give random results.


Personally, I started using the Best Dice app for Android about a year ago now and I love it. When I'm rolling badly, I can remove the offending die from existence! (Mwahahahahahaha)

Seriously though, Best Dice is a wonderful program that is a physics roller. It shows the dice rolling. You can pick them up and move them around, individually and roll them, if you want. Hell, it even makes the sound of dice rolling on a table!

My GM occasionally had problems with the random rollers, that just seemed to pick numbers, but aside from an eye roll and a sigh when I first started using this one, he seems fine with it. Perhaps because I handed it over to him every time I got a crit for the first few months, since I felt the need to prove that I'd gotten one.

As a GM myself, I don't care how you roll... so long as the table is having fun. If an electronic die roller helps, then so be it!

It all depends on the players and the GM's, really. If my GM asked me not to use them, I'd be disappointed but fine with it. However, as a GM myself, I am fine with real or electronic(especially if its a physics roller).

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My requirements (as a GM) for a dice app are:

It must make a noise when you roll it
-- The noise must *not* be one that drives the table crazy or gets us thrown out of the shop

It must keep a log of your rolls so I can see them.

It must display the roll large enough that the people to each side of you can see what you rolled.

On a side note, I happen to know that my brother is working on a eDie that uses quantum noise across a zener diode to create a die that is both truly random, and which, thanks to the vagaries of quantum mechanics can never be predicted. (This is apparently what happens when PHD physicist gamers are bored.)

One thing he has been wondering is should he build the device to be stand alone (it would look something like an electric calculator and you put in what die roll you want, and it would spit it out. ) Or should he make it a peripheral that you plug into a usb port and it gives a random value between 0 and 1 and lets the computer turn it into the necessary roll. (Easier to build, potentially more useful, but also more prone to manipulations)

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Dark Archive 2/5

Hilariously, I know someone that can actually control what they get with real dice to a very stupid degree. When asked to demonstrate this, he proceeded to take a random d20 from a bag and get 20. ... Six times in a row. He has also demonstrated the ability to do this with d4s, d6s, and d8s. But not d10s. Don't ask me why. He hadn't actually used this talent often, if at all, during games. We never knew until he revealed it to the table after a game for lulz. Since then the table has distrusted him. Kind of sad really, since I know him to be a very upstanding and honest person. He's failed way too many saves and missed too many times to have been hacking the dice with his brain regularly. Either way, he has started using a dice rolling app to get people to stop accusing him of cheating every time he confirms a critical.

Far as I'm concerned, I'll allow those apps at my tables so long as they don't seem to be giving an edge. If I notice someone spamming crits on a weapon that isn't using a 15-20 crit range, I'll at least ask to see the app to verify that nothing janky is taking place. People do wind up on hot streaks from time to time after all.

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