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So I have a few questions about the Shadow that the Shadow Dancer get's to summon and how it works in PFS.
1) Even though the Shadow can't create spawn if it drains all the strength from a target does the target still die? Or does it go unconscious?
2) What languages does the Shadow know/understand? It says that the Shadow Dancer can communicate intelligently with the Shadow but can the Shadow eavesdrop on people and report back to the Shadow Dancer? Does the Shadow at least understand all the languages that the Shadow Dancer knows even if it can't actually speak them? Or is it basically a deaf mute when it comes to the "outside world" so "intelligent" communication is limited to "Go hear and hit that."?
Thanks for the input!
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So I have a few questions about the Shadow that the Shadow Dancer get's to summon and how it works in PFS.
1) Even though the Shadow can't create spawn if it drains all the strength from a target does the target still die? Or does it go unconscious?
2) What languages does the Shadow know/understand? It says that the Shadow Dancer can communicate intelligently with the Shadow but can the Shadow eavesdrop on people and report back to the Shadow Dancer? Does the Shadow at least understand all the languages that the Shadow Dancer knows even if it can't actually speak them? Or is it basically a deaf mute when it comes to the "outside world" so "intelligent" communication is limited to "Go hear and hit that."?
Thanks for the input!
Strength Damage (Su) A shadow's touch deals 1d6 points of Strength damage to a living creature. This is a negative energy effect. A creature dies if this Strength damage equals or exceeds its actual Strength score.
It would seem the person dies but does not turn.
A shadow has an INT of 6 - but bonded animal companions can have that INT and still not be able to speak. Since the power says only that it can speak with the dancer I think most GMs would assume you can talk to it, but it doesn't necessarily have a language. That might be something for them to FAQ.
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The text of the Shadow's ability says the person should still die but keep in mind Strenfth damage does not normally kill someone:
From the PRD:
For every 2 points of damage you take to a single ability, apply a –1 penalty to skills and statistics listed with the relevant ability. If the amount of ability damage you have taken equals or exceeds your ability score, you immediately fall unconscious until the damage is less than your ability score. The only exception to this is your Constitution score. If the damage to your Constitution is equal to or greater than your Constitution score, you die.
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The text of the Shadow's ability says the person should still die but keep in mind Strenfth damage does not normally kill someone:
From the PRD:
For every 2 points of damage you take to a single ability, apply a –1 penalty to skills and statistics listed with the relevant ability. If the amount of ability damage you have taken equals or exceeds your ability score, you immediately fall unconscious until the damage is less than your ability score. The only exception to this is your Constitution score. If the damage to your Constitution is equal to or greater than your Constitution score, you die.
That's why I'm wondering if the person would still die. I always thought that the death was caused by the fact that target was being brought back as another shadow. So since a Shadow Dancer's Shadow cannot create spawn does the Shadow's STR damage still kill the target?
A shadow has an INT of 6 - but bonded animal companions can have that INT and still not be able to speak. Since the power says only that it can speak with the dancer I think most GMs would assume you can talk to it, but it doesn't necessarily have a language.
But actual PC's can can have an INT score of 6 and still speak at least one language. The Shadow didn't necessarily start as an animal like Animal Companions or Familiars do. It's "vaguely humanoid" in shape which would imply that it came from a humanoid (possibly even a PC race). So while it's not important for the Shadow out of the bestiary to have a language listed it does become more of a concern when it comes to a class like the Shadow Dancer who may want to use the Shadow for recon and spying.
Greetings, fellow travellers.
The ruling on the Su ability Strength damage of the shadow is a classic example where specific rules directly related to the subject (i. e. the monster) top the generic from the CRB for ability damage in general; thus the victim of the shadow's Su ability dies.
Nothing keeps you from chosing a common (sorry for the pun) language in your setting and have the shadow use that for communicating with you. It might not be able to read/write but it surely knows how to speak it and can understand it when listening to it (how would it otherwise be able to answer to you).
Ruyan.
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Ok so i do get the shadow then that has not been in pfs
You may have to clarify a bit on the problem you're having.
The Shadowdancer (and its Shadow) are legal in Pathfinder Society.
HeroLab is one of many third party companies that provides a digital tool to help organize a player's characters.
You're actually required to bring a physical copy of your character sheet with you to games anyways, so if you're having a problem with HeroLab just grab a blank piece of paper and jot down the stats of your Shadow. Problem solved.
Hero Lab has no affiliation with Pathfinder Society. You get the shadow in Pathfinder Society, but Hero Lab can't track it for you apparently.
Herolab actually has the ability to use PFS rules. You have to go into the character setup area and click the correct checkboxes.
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correct. But herolabs inability to stat a shadow has nothing to do with whether or not shadows are allowed in PFS. A certain number of people seem to be under the impression that hero lab is a product of PFS, and that what it says is gospel.
(They also seem to believe that it counts as a valid rules source for meeting AR requirements.)
correct. But herolabs inability to stat a shadow has nothing to do with whether or not shadows are allowed in PFS. A certain number of people seem to be under the impression that hero lab is a product of PFS, and that what it says is gospel.
(They also seem to believe that it counts as a valid rules source for meeting AR requirements.)
Ok, I get what you mean now.