Fangwood Keep Chronicle Sheet Vanity Question

[Totenpfuhl]

If you buy the keep and then choose to go slow progression, would you gain an extra prestige every time by forgoing the Day Job roll? I am just looking for clarification as that seems pretty powerful.

[Felix Gaunt]

First off I don't think you want to put spoilers in the post, let alone in the header. lol I'd see if you can edit it to make it more general, since your question isn't really about the vanity but really about prestige from boons in general.

Yes, but also remember you're slow now so that's 2x the consumables, 2x the misc scenario costs, 2x the chance of dying, 2x the cost of helping party members out (who died, got f'd up, etc), and finally 2x the chance of getting party members that suck (lol). I also asked this myself earlier here and got the answer I pretty much expected. Some people go slow to use boons, some don't. The same could be said for Treasure Map and pretty much any boon that replaces/uses day jobs. I've been going slow with my character for a while and it's TOUGH. Also honestly I really don't use Prestige much, it's just to remove effects, grab a wand now and then, etc etc. I have an 11th that has...oh geez like 50 PP just sitting there. lol

Oh and realize that if you did slow advance forever it'd be like... 60 Scenarios which is 60 less for any other characters you have. To give you an idea ALL of Seasons 0-4 combined is like 106. So you'd suck up over half of those with one character.

[Nefreet]

The Boon:

Spoiler:

Instead of making Day Job rolls, add +1 Prestige Point instead. This does not increase your Fame score, and your total Prestige can never exceed your Fame score.

That being said, I'd imagine you get half the benefit, just like you get half everything else.

[Iammars]

Nefreet wrote:

The Boon:

** spoiler omitted **

That being said, I'd imagine you get half the benefit, just like you get half everything else.

Why? You don't get half your day job roll when you slow track, and this replaces your Day Job.

[Felix Gaunt]

Nefreet wrote:

The Boon:

** spoiler omitted **

That being said, I'd imagine you get half the benefit, just like you get half everything else.

There's nothing anywhere that states that, there are... wow a ton of boons that work with the same logic. The quote you showed just says it doesn't increase your Fame score and that your total Prestige can't exceed your Fame (obviously). So if you have a Fame of 10 and Prestige of 10 and use this boon you need to immediately use that extra Prestige (now 11) or lose it.

Again the post is probably moot given the laundry list of reasons why going slow for an extended period of time isn't all that great.

[Chris Mortika]

Felix, it costs 16, so it takes a while for there to be a problem.

[Felix Gaunt]

Chris Mortika wrote:

Felix, it costs 16, so it takes a while for there to be a problem.

Ah ok, yeah I just meant in general, the Fame\Prestige of 10 was more an example since I didn't understand why Nefreet thought the way he did. Regardless I don't see it as an issue, I can't possibly fathom anyone playing 60 games with one character. lol More power to them if they can do it and come out on top! :P

[Mattastrophic]

Felix Gaunt wrote:

Chris Mortika wrote:

Felix, it costs 16, so it takes a while for there to be a problem.

Ah ok, yeah I just meant in general, the Fame\Prestige of 10 was more an example since I didn't understand why Nefreet thought the way he did. Regardless I don't see it as an issue, I can't possibly fathom anyone playing 60 games with one character. lol More power to them if they can do it and come out on top! :P

I did. Slow tracked every level except 1st (because of First Steps) and 6th (because it was my PC's weakest level) on the road to 12. I like playing my PC, and it's tough for me to get games past 7th or so, so 21 scenarios is not enough to get to know and appreciate a character.

-Matt

[Felix Gaunt]

Hah, that's cool and wow a TON of scenarios! lol I tend to slow-track at the end, or if I need to slow down for other players to catch up.

[AdAstraGames]

Does this Vanity allow you to gain 3 prestige points per scenario played and recover PA that have been spent on other things? Or does it only allow you to recover PAs that you missed in a prior scenario, a'la the

Spoiler:

boon for Shadow's Last Stand for capturing Torch?

[Nefreet]

Only up to your Fame score. So, no.

[AdAstraGames]

Let me be clearer.

I have a character with 28 Fame. Said character spent 2 PA on a wand, and 15 PA on this Vanity, and now as 11 unspent PA and 28 fame.

Character plays another scenario, earning both PA points for the scenario. Character forgoes the Day Job Roll.

Does the character end that scenario with 14 PA and 30 Fame?

[Todd Lower]

AdAstraGames wrote:

Let me be clearer.

I have a character with 28 Fame. Said character spent 2 PA on a wand, and 15 PA on this Vanity, and now as 11 unspent PA and 28 fame.

Character plays another scenario, earning both PA points for the scenario. Character forgoes the Day Job Roll.

Does the character end that scenario with 14 PA and 30 Fame?

Yes.

You will get one extra prestige, for a total of one more than normally earned on the adventure. The total Fame doesn't change, it will be what ever you earned during the adventure.

EX: if you earn two prestige for a scenario you would receive three prestige points, and two fame for the scenario.

[AdAstraGames]

Thanks, Todd. I had someone say that it could only replace one of the prestige you got from a scenario - EG, you'd still get a maximum of 2 per scenario, but you'd get the two even if you failed the faction mission/special condition run.

[Nefreet]

With this vanity:

If you miss earning a Prestige Point during a scenario, your current Fame will only increase by one, but your Prestige will increase by two.

If you earn two Prestige Points during a scenario, your current Fame will increase by two, and your Prestige will increase by three.

The vanity does not make up for Prestige you lost during previous scenarios, and does not increase your Fame score.

[Todd Lower]

Nefreet wrote:

With this vanity:

If you miss earning a Prestige Point during a scenario, your current Fame will only increase by one, but your Prestige will increase by two.

If you earn two Prestige Points during a scenario, your current Fame will increase by two, and your Prestige will increase by three.

The vanity does not make up for Prestige you lost during previous scenarios, and does not increase your Fame score.

To add to what Nefreet said, I guess that I should add the cap to this: Your Prestige can never exceed your Fame. When that happens you must use the Prestige point or it will be lost.

[Todd Lower]

AdAstraGames wrote:

Thanks, Todd. I had someone say that it could only replace one of the prestige you got from a scenario - EG, you'd still get a maximum of 2 per scenario, but you'd get the two even if you failed the faction mission/special condition run.

There is/was a Con boon that did just that. This vanity is different.

[kinevon]

Todd Lower wrote:

Nefreet wrote:

With this vanity:

If you miss earning a Prestige Point during a scenario, your current Fame will only increase by one, but your Prestige will increase by two.

If you earn two Prestige Points during a scenario, your current Fame will increase by two, and your Prestige will increase by three.

The vanity does not make up for Prestige you lost during previous scenarios, and does not increase your Fame score.

To add to what Nefreet said, I guess that I should add the cap to this: Your Prestige can never exceed your Fame. When that happens you must use the Prestige point or it will be lost.

The way I read it, since your Prestige can never exceed yoru Fame, you can never have that "extra" Prestige to spend. If your Prestige = your Fame, you cannot use the Fangwood Keep boon.

In other words, expect table variation.

[AdAstraGames]

The text of the Fangwood Keep boon specifically states that any Prestige in excess of your Fame must be spent immediately, or are lost.

What's mildly ambiguous (but seems to be resolved here) is whether or not it lets you replenish Prestige that you spent on other things. By and large, it looks like it does. You're effectively buying a Prestige Pump that, in the course of normal play, will take about 15 scenarios to pay itself off. Beyond "profit/loss" it also means that your "prestige flow" is 50% higher; you can buy a Wand every game and still accrue prestige for other purchases.

[Nefreet]

I don't see what is so "ambiguous", or why we're 20 posts in to this discussion. It's simple mathematics. I think we're getting tripped up on language here.

Did you successfully complete a scenario after having purchased this vanity? Congratulations, you earned 2 Fame and 3 Prestige.

Say you start with a 4th level PC that has 20 Fame / 20 Prestige.

PC spends 15 PP on Vanity. They now have 20 Fame / 5 Prestige.

15 games go by, each completely successful.

PC earns 30 Fame / 45 Prestige. Total is now 50 Fame / 50 Prestige.

Another game goes by successfully, but PC still hasn't spent any of their Prestige.

They earn 2 Fame / 2 Prestige. Total is now 52 Fame / 52 Prestige.

The vanity allows you to spend any "overflow" immediately.

PC would be wise to take advantage of that.

If PC spent 2 PP on a wand of cure light wounds, their Total would now be 52 Fame / 51 Prestige.

Next successful mission would see them at 54 Fame / 54 Prestige.

What is confusing people?