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I'm game. Sounds like a good test case with holdings, peripheral villages to be stolen from or captured....Let's make sure to get a PvP server if there is any distinction within the game.
EVE, Darkfall, and Mortal are all single server games. Unless Darkfall still has a European server, but I don't think they do anymore. Either way they are all PVP servers.
OK. I'm hip. Let's do it.
(How'd you like that pre-quote. I quoted you before you even said it!)
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@Bringslight- We will probably operate under separate tags and rulesets than the other groups unless the entire group adopts ideologies we find acceptable. I do not wish to contribute toward what I see as problem behaviors in any title. Especially Darkfall. They are in no need of more NBSI / RPK groups.
My understanding was that we will be working together, but not nessicarily under the same tag.
The Dread Pirate Andius, you're a fan of darkfall?!Yes. I have quite a history there. For awhile I was spearheading an anti-griefer / non-RPK movement there that was just starting to gain some traction / territory before the wipe was announced. I'm already compiling a list of old allies who may still play in my head.
What can you (or anyone else familiar) tell us about aspects other than PVP? What kind of market system is there? Crafting? Gathering?
If you can take the time, it would be appreciated. :)
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Bringslite - The manual is available to the public at the link above (Hobs I think). I'm reading it now for free...big though.
Thanks Hardin. I am looking for a player's honest opinion. Is it crap or tolerable? None is a deal breaker as it is temporary, but I am curious. I should have been more clear. :)
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Everything I say about Darkfall comes from a pre-Unholy Wars understanding and so may be out of date.
There are four types of gathering. Mining, logging, fishing, and herb gathering. All of them consist of finding nodes, setting your character to gather the node and then waiting. It takes a few minutes. Cities and player houses sometimes have special nodes that generate more materials. You can also fish by sticking a fish box on your boat.
There is a broad list of crafting skills including armorsmithing, tailoring, weapon smithing, bow making, alchemy, shipbuilding, cooking, and enchanting. The only limitation on crafting skills is the time and resources available to you. You can max everything. Crafting consists if having the resources and executing the recipe, just like most theme-parks.
There is no market system other than player to player trades and the vendors found at player houses which sell items the players gave them for the price the player asked for.
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@Nihimon
Am I missing the point of your thread?
I think you're referring to this:
Hehe are we proposing forming a large "quasi-guild" and invading another game en masse? Providing those rascals some content? Sounds familiar. ;)
There are a couple of things I'd want to say...
First, I tried to make clear in my original post that I wasn't trying to establish a guild or clan.
We're not trying to establish a guild/clan that everyone has to join. It may well end up that we fight each other in that other game, and that's fine.
I think a number of us don't have a lot of experience in Open PvP, territorial games, and we could learn a lot - that is, make a lot of mistakes - there rather than waiting a couple of years to make them in PFO.
Second, I definitely catch and appreciate the humorous nature of your question.
But to get serious for a moment, I think there's a fundamental difference between anything I would be a part of, and goons. I may have ruffled a few feathers elsewhere when I said "Some Settlements will deserve to be destroyed," but that captures a very important belief I hold. I think it's a very bad thing to ignore the moral aspect of an action, and judge it solely on its physical characteristics. Humans have a great capacity for discernment that simply cannot be codified. It's a shame if we allow ourselves to be boxed into a corner where we're not allowed to use that capacity simply because we can't articulate a code (program) that would arrive at the same judgment in the particular case at hand while not arriving at a clearly wrong judgment in different, hypothetical cases.
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Massively has some good reviews, and the developers just added a market (not sure how robust it is, but they recently added it) ship building skills and areas where fishing trawlers can go (some in dangerous waters) a new class (no idea what it is) and a new dungeon, all this within a few weeks. So they are on the ball. Some of the videos on Steam show some very large groups fighting, so it should test the mettle of anyone who tries it out.
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Massively has some good reviews...
Metacritic's interesting reading as well, from players who've taken time to give their thoughts. One quote caught my eye right away:
"One piece of advice before diving into Darkfall: Find a clan to play with. Trying to navigate the world of Agon solo is a punishing experience. Fighting fierce monsters, going on adventures, getting chopped in half and doing some chopping of your own is much more fun with some good pals."
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@Andius
Thanks for the reply. Is most good gear player made, and/is the best also, or is it mob drop?
We're not trying to establish a guild/clan that everyone has to join. It may well end up that we fight each other in that other game, and that's fine.
Thanks Nihimon, I read it incorrectly. :)
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Per their website most of the gear is player made.
"The vast majority of items in Agon are crafted by players. From weapons and armor to food and potions, even Clan holdings and ships, all are created by the hands of a crafter....
...There are 17 crafting skills in Darkfall Unholy Wars, 12 of which also have a corresponding mastery skill."
"Once the procedure is initiated, a countdown will indicate how long it will take for the item to be created...
...There is always a chance that you will not succeed at creating the item. In such a case you lose some of the materials but you can always try again provided you have enough materials in your backpack...
...The higher your crafting skill, the more likely you are to succeed and thus less materials will be lost. Raising a crafting skill requires patience and a lot of materials but the higher your skill, the better the items you can create..."
Of course they will make their crafting sound super duper awesome to sell games, but it sounds decent.
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Like I said it's very similar to the crafting of most theme parks. You gather the needed resources then execute the recipe. I remember making thousands upon thousands of cloth pants to raise my trueforge armor skill. I just bought a ton of cloth and day there talking politics at a crafting station.
All of the best gear is player made. Monsters can drop gear but it's always low durability with slightly lower stats than the crafted versions. Monsters are mainly killed for gold, teleportation items, and enchantment components.
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@Hardin
Thanks for digging that up. :)
I am not so interested anymore. I was looking for a more general "all inclusive group" of PfO fans. That isn't the aim of this thread, so I am wasting space here. My apologies.
I would be willing to set aside differences and form an alliance with any other groups from PFO who will do the same. I simply want separate tags so our members are distinguished as non-RPKers. I'm sure we will all be at war with my old enemies anyway since this will be a large group of new players. They won't leave you alone until you are capable if holding your own.
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@Hardin
Thanks for digging that up. :)
I am not so interested anymore. I was looking for a more general "all inclusive group" of PfO fans. That isn't the aim of this thread, so I am wasting space here. My apologies.
Ima go ahead and download it. I'll know in the first 30 days if it sucks or not. For those in are we gonna play on a European or North American server (both still coming up on menu). I'll go NA if there is no guidance, but it seems like it'd be easy to start a new character if I goof this one up.
(I'll do laundry and dishes in the meantime. It'll take an hour to DL at least.)
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@Andius
I am not aware of how things work in Darkfall as far as alliances, etc... work. I will read up on that stuff. :)
I am definitely not into going into any game and ruining anyone's experience, just for "practice", as a large influx of "Gonnies" from here. Certainly, I won't be a griefer in PfO or in Darkfall either, nor would I have fun, there, playing with anyone that was. That would not entail anything that I wanted to learn.
Not sure that I know or agree with your definition of RPK, but if it is killing for absolutely no reason, than it is close to mine. Not that it matters much, I suppose. :)
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If two groups have a mutual alliance they can talk to each other in their alliance channel. I would think the best way is for any group that wants to, to create their own clan and ally up with everyone else. Smaller groups / individuals can form a "Goblin Squad" or "Pathfinder Society" group. Ryan, Hobs or another trusted / neutral community figure can lead that group and all territory we hold as a community will be held by that group.
We can use the PFO Fan Teamspeak for communication.
Race determines starting location. Racial alliances were abolished with Unholy Wars. The map has changed a bit but I know it well enough to lead everyone to a common city. I vote dwarven lands.
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I'd definitely prefer, if I join, to play with, rather than against, y'all.
It frankly sounds like there will be enough people to fight against, PFO types don't need to fight each other.
(And I think any PFO group is also serving potentially as long-term recruiters for PFO - anyone that follows you to PFO makes your settlement here stronger.)
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When I come home on my break today I'm going to start installing Unholy Wars. I'll also answer any questions about DF on the PFO Fan Teamspeak / give advise on how not to get griefed out of the game.
Tomorrow I'll look up my old contacts and see if I can find people willing to teach the game to those who need it, and help us find a place to live. I won't have a great deal of time to play until this Friday though.
I don't want to volunteer names until I've talked with the individuals but I have five contacts in mind. Each veteran players, and each likely to be associated with a large new-player friendly group.
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I'm sticking to Mortal Online. You can play even when you are unsubbed, it's free to try, the settlement buildings is closer to PFO and it's got some real nice flavor.
I'd hope the GW guys would join us wherever we choose. It's only fair y'know ;)
Of the three original titles I don't care what we go with as long as the majority supports it. DF seems to be winning at this point.
I'm going to guess the reason Ryan is quietly pushing us in that direction is because the PFO community is 13+ but Mortal Online is an 18+ game with full player nudity and lootable / consumable player heads and bodies.
I don't care though. I would love to play either.
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... but Mortal Online is an 18+ game with full player nudity and lootable / consumable player heads and bodies.
There is something very funky about a lootable and consumable player head. Yuk.
I'm in DF already. Hope to see a few of you in there. Haven't picked a server yet, almost done downloading. It matters not at all if I am alone for a bit. I'll hook up with a friendly group in short order just to see how it pans out if I don't see anyone from PFO here.
Cheers!
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I'm sticking to Mortal Online. You can play even when you are unsubbed, it's free to try, the settlement buildings is closer to PFO and it's got some real nice flavor.
I'd hope the GW guys would join us wherever we choose. It's only fair y'know ;)
Of the three original titles I don't care what we go with as long as the majority supports it. DF seems to be winning at this point.
I'm going to guess the reason Ryan is quietly pushing us in that direction is because the PFO community is 13+ but Mortal Online is an 18+ game with full player nudity and lootable / consumable player heads and bodies.
I don't care though. I would love to play either.
I think I played Age of Conan a full 6 months more that i would have just because the beheadings never got old.
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""I'm going to guess the reason Ryan is quietly pushing us in that direction is because the PFO community is 13+ but Mortal Online is an 18+ game with full player nudity and lootable / consumable player heads and bodies.
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That is awesome. Lootable / consumable player heads and bodies... rofl.
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...I'm in DF already. Hope to see a few of you in there. Haven't picked a server yet, almost done downloading. It matters not at all if I am alone for a bit. I'll hook up with a friendly group in short order just to see how it pans out if I don't see anyone from PFO here.
Cheers!
Be sure and mention which server and race (since where you start is race-based according to Andius) you pick here, Hardin.
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Be sure and mention which server and race (since where you start is race-based according to Andius) you pick here, Hardin....I'm in DF already. Hope to see a few of you in there. Haven't picked a server yet, almost done downloading. It matters not at all if I am alone for a bit. I'll hook up with a friendly group in short order just to see how it pans out if I don't see anyone from PFO here.
Cheers!
I 2nd that Hardin.
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@Hardin
Thanks for digging that up. :)
I am not so interested anymore. I was looking for a more general "all inclusive group" of PfO fans. That isn't the aim of this thread, so I am wasting space here. My apologies.
Personally, from a community standpoint, I'd like to see us all get into the same PFO clan in something like Darkfall. We could perhaps kill two birds with one stone...learning/practicing PvP somewhat similar in style to what PFO will have, and getting to know and appreciate one another better through more intimate interaction than can occur on this forum.
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Be sure and mention which server and race (since where you start is race-based according to Andius) you pick here, Hardin....I'm in DF already. Hope to see a few of you in there. Haven't picked a server yet, almost done downloading. It matters not at all if I am alone for a bit. I'll hook up with a friendly group in short order just to see how it pans out if I don't see anyone from PFO here.
Cheers!
Only one server (Unless the European one is still but but I'm pretty sure it's not). Every racial capitol is within a 15-30 minute ride of all the others and since unholy wars I'm relatively certain every race can live in the cities of every other race. So there's not much reason to concern yourself. We just need to pick where we want to live as a group. I would avoid human lands to start with as they are densely populated which attracts griefers. If Battlesaints are still around / powerful then dwarflands will likely be the safest.
They were a large dwarf exclusive group and protecting dwarflands and it's inhabitants is their whole thing. They'll get along quite nicely with any Deepforge members that come with us.
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@Nihimon
I respect that this is your thread Nihimon. Would you rather that any discussion concerning a PfO group that is together, but completely non guild affiliated, or "blind" be taken elsewhere?
I've never been a stickler about keeping threads on-topic. I've heard some good arguments for doing so, but it's just not something that's personally important to me.
That said, I would think any discussion about any PFO Group heading to any other game is perfectly on-topic.
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Personally, from a community standpoint, I'd like to see us all get into the same PFO clan in something like Darkfall. We could perhaps kill two birds with one stone...learning/practicing PvP somewhat similar in style to what PFO will have, and getting to know and appreciate one another better through more intimate interaction than can occur on this forum.@Hardin
Thanks for digging that up. :)
I am not so interested anymore. I was looking for a more general "all inclusive group" of PfO fans. That isn't the aim of this thread, so I am wasting space here. My apologies.
I think an alliance will have to be sufficient. When a UNC member kills some random miner and takes their stuff I don't want to be standing next to them and wearing the same tag. I can handle it if we are simply allies, and they agree not to kill random people during joint operations with TEO
We can still talk in alliance chat, the PFO Fan Teamspeak, and even do things together. Just not wear the same tag.
Unless other groups are willing to conform to our ruleset. Then we can wear the same tag.
@Bringslite- It would say "[Rank] of The Empyrean Order" over our heads. I don't plan to include it in my name.
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I think a "Goblin Squad" guild would be cool...we can all find a place working together for common cause.
I understand Andius' concern, but I still think the purpose of this effort is to all learn to play together as a community...and you never know, we might learn to appreciate each others company.
This is a heavy PvP game so I think there will be enough legitimate reasons to PvP that none of us will need to grief others due to the lack of.
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90%+ of the veteran community in Darkfall are on our ok to kill list so we won't be starving for action. I don't see how not having the same name above our heads prevents us from working as a community though.
It may not prevent a community. It certainly will not lower tensions, promote universal co operation (in darkfall), or make it any easier in many other ways, though.
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If we go to take territory we will have to cooperate to a fairly high degree. I would imagine if we are in TS and talking in alliance chat together that will lower tensions as well. TEO's policy with allies is to treat them like members of our own group. I fully intend to do group events and share resources with you all. I just don't want to have every action taken by any member of the PFO community to reflect on me.
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90%+ of the veteran community in Darkfall are on our ok to kill list so we won't be starving for action. I don't see how not having the same name above our heads prevents us from working as a community though.
It might not, then again it may...I don't know. I just like the idea of trying to be a cooperative community. We could always try it...and if your concerns are found to be realized, then divide the community as needed. Just a suggestion....
I will be game for anything, as long as we try to do it together.
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I'm in the North American server. The UI is a bear to figure out, and the user manual is not downloadable, so I am working on a version (but it'll be in Word 2003). Seems like it was made more difficult than it should be, but we are making progress. I made it to newbie town for the Tovarr race. An experienced player could have done it in like 2 minutes, but the UI takes getting used to.