Jeff Erwin Contributor |
Jeven |
It depends what you mean by England.
Nirmathas is a sort-of Robin Hood England-like land.
And Andoran is very Anglo-Saxon as its modeled after revolutionary America, so it could equally be England with just the parliament and no king.
I think Cheliax is more Imperial Spain hence its location at the mouth of the Inner Sea aka the Mediterranean, its colonies, and Spanish Inquisition like religious oppression.
Gorbacz |
Taldoran society seems to be the most like the English "Old Boy" network than anything I have ever seen. The stubborn disbelief that they are no longer the centre of the world is just too close to be believed.
As long as they have Doctor Who, they are the centre of the universe for me.
Taldor is much more like Byzantium just-before-the-walls-came-down. Their delusions of grandeur put anything else to shame.
The 8th Dwarf |
It depends what you mean by England.
Nirmathas is a sort-of Robin Hood England-like land.
And Andoran is very Anglo-Saxon as its modeled after revolutionary America, so it could equally be England with just the parliament and no king.I think Cheliax is more Imperial Spain hence its location at the mouth of the Inner Sea aka the Mediterranean, its colonies, and Spanish Inquisition like religious oppression.
Cheliax also gives me an imperial Spain/France vibe.
English Civil war, Parliament no king well before the American revolution.
Its before the Restoration (obviously) but a lot of the attitudes and affectations are there.
Taldor is Byzantium - although well before it became a lost cause.
zimmerwald1915 |
Cheliax also gives me an imperial Spain/France vibe.
Likewise, though I see a lot more of Spain than of France in Cheliax.
English Civil war, Parliament no king well before the American revolution.
Its before the Restoration (obviously) but a lot of the attitudes and affectations are there.
I dunno, Andoran always struck me as most like the US states north of Maryland and east of Ohio from between 1780 and 1815. The look of the country's pageantry is early American rather than early modern English, and the history of the country is clearly inspired by the history of the Enlightenment (as is Galt's) rather than the early modern period. At the same time, a straight analogy between the whole of the USA and Andoran is made impossible by Andoran's abolitionism. For me, this is the strongest single factor arguing for Andoran's "Englishness" - the next strongest factor being Andoran's naval tradition and strength on a par with either Cheliax or Taldor - as England was the geographical base for much of international abolitionism in the nineteenth century. Within the USA, however, New England and, to a much lesser degree, the Mid-Atlantic states were the geographic centers of abolitionism, and Boston and New York had strong nautical traditions too. They therefore represent, to me, the best analogue for Andoran.
As for Nirmathas, it and Molthune represent, for me, the Swiss cantons and the Habsburg demense at the time the former were beating off the expansionism of the latter.
I agree with whoever identified the Isle of Kortos as the British Isles. London was in many ways at the "center of the world" in the nineteenth century; a preponderance of world finance flowed through there, the Bank of England was the most powerful financial institution in the world, and the Prime Meridian was drawn through the city (I distinctly remember James Jacobs saying the PM ought to be drawn through Absalom, but I can't find the thread). Add that Absalom has a history of resisting amphibious attack, and I consider the analogy fairly strong.
The 8th Dwarf |
Add that Absalom has a history of resisting amphibious attack, and I consider the analogy fairly strong.
England was only occasionally good at resisting amphibious attack until after the Restoration...
The List is staggering.
The 55 and 54 BC Caesar's invasions of Britain.
The 43 AD Roman conquest of Britain.
The 296 Roman invasion during Carausian Revolt.
The fifth to sixth century Anglo-Saxon settlement of Britain
The eighth to eleventh century invasions of the British isles by the Vikings.
The 1066 Norman conquest of England under William the Conqueror.
The 1216 invasion of England by Louis VIII of France and Alexander II of Scotland, during the First Barons' War.
The 1326 invasion of England by Isabella of France and Roger Mortimer, leading to Isabella's regency until the ascendance of her son, Edward III.
The 1545 French invasion of the Isle of Wight during the Italian Wars.
The 1667 Raid on the Medway and Felixstowe Landguard during the Second Anglo-Dutch War.[1]
The 1685 landing in England by the Duke of Monmouth and his supporters during the Monmouth Rebellion
The 1688 invasion of England by the Dutch Republic, also known as the Glorious Revolution. (last successful invasion of England)
The 1690 attack by the French on Teignmouth, Devon.
The 1719 Spanish Invasion of Scotland during the War of the Quadruple Alliance defeated at the Battle of Glen Shiel, which was the last foreign invasion of Britain.
zimmerwald1915 |
zimmerwald1915 wrote:Add that Absalom has a history of resisting amphibious attack, and I consider the analogy fairly strong.England was only occasionally good at resisting amphibious attack until after the Restoration...
And Kortos has been landed upon, and Absalom invested and beseiged, at least ten times that I know of. It is not difficult to land on Kortos; it is difficult to take Absalom. Similarly, only about half of the invasions on your list after the sixth century (before which we're not really talking about "England") managed to occupy something important.
Revan |
I always took Cheliax as Italian, perhaps because Westcrown seemed very Venetian.
I took Korvosa as reminiscent of Dickensian London, though that may be colored by the distinctly Faginesque criminal you fight at the outset of Crimson Throne.