Tiefling, Sorcerer and Crossblooded Sage bloodline

[Kaapelikala]

Hi,

I started to tinker with a sorceror. How do the above work together?

A Tiefling gives bonuses to a fiendish Sorceror as well as a bonus to Int. Sage changes Sorcerors's used stat from Cha to Int. Does a fiendish/Sage sorceror get the bonus from Fiendish Sorcery to his/her Int for all things Sorceror such as spells per level and so on?

Is a Tiefling Abyssal/Sage Sorceror with base Int 18 effectively an Int 22 Sorceror (18 +2(Tiefling stat bonus) +2(Infernal Sorcery)? Or is it just a Int 20 Sorceror because of some thing or another?

So there are a couple of questions:

a) Is a Abyssal or Infernal/something crossblood a fiend for Fiendish Sorcery?

b) Is the Infernal Sorcery +2 bonus considered something in the constraints of "to determine all class features and effects relating to your sorcerer class, such as bonus spells per day, the maximum spell level you can cast, the save DCs of your spells, and the number of daily uses of your bloodline powers.". The Infernal Sorcery changes all of those things, but I want to be sure.

c) Do they work together.

Thanks.

[DeltaOneG]

a. Looks like yes.

b. All those things would be class features so yes.

c. You mean does the +2 charisma change to a +2 int? no, it does not. (unless you find a really nice GM)

[mplindustries]

You can't crossblood a wildbloodline. Both are archetypes that change the same features (arcana and several powers).

[Michael Sayre]

mplindustries wrote:

You can't crossblood a wildbloodline. Both are archetypes that change the same features (arcana and several powers).

^ This. You can't combine archetypes that change the same class features.

[DeltaOneG]

Link to a thread where it is argued that you can have both archetypes. The prevailing argument is that Crossblooded modifies the bloodline class feature (and includes details on what that means) whereas Wildblooded modifies arcana and powers.

[DeltaOneG]

Mind you, there are other threads arguing against them being able to be combined so, ask your GM.

[mplindustries]

DeltaOneG wrote:

Link to a thread where it is argued that you can have both archetypes. The prevailing argument is that Crossblooded modifies the bloodline class feature (and includes details on what that means) whereas Wildblooded modifies arcana and powers.

They are wrong, however. There have been far more recent discussions and it's pretty conclusive, at least by RAW.

"Bloodline" is not a class feature. Bloodline Arcane is, though, as are bloodline powers and bloodline feats, etc.

Both alter the Arcana and the powers. Wildblood should have been written up like Subdomains where they alter a bloodline, but instead, they are archetypes and alter the class features directly.

[Kaapelikala]

Thanks for the info. Somehow I missed the part of wildblooed being an archetype.

Is this answered anywhere aside PFS?

[Kaapelikala]

Ok, how about Eldritch Heritage (fiend) + Wildblood Sage? Does the sorc become a fiend if Infernal or Abyssal is chosen and does the Tiefling's ability activate?