I am playing a game with my brother-in-law, he is the GM. I am going to be going against a gargantuan monster in our next session and I've been thinking of creative ways to effectively deal damage to it as an Archer.
I was wondering if anybody here could enlighten me with suggestion on how you would fight a gargantuan creature (with tentacles - no not hentai related) as an archer.
potion of fly, lots of arrows?
If you do not have clustered shot or a +5 weapon then buy cold Iron, Silver, adamantine arrows just to make sure you can bypass most kinds of DR (holy is also very useful).
Here are some details to give you a better idea of my situation:
I have a bow with infinite ammo enchantment.
I have some flasks of alchemist fire and oil, I also had my character grab some random flasks which my brother will prob randomize for me.
I am a ninja and can go invisible using vanishing trick
I have the ability to shape-shift into a crow infinitely (story-based effect)
This battle is in the form of epic battle (think of Avenger's final battle) so there are a bunch of other creatures, he uses the minion system with OHKO creatures as pawns. Also there are other NPCs who are also fighting these things.
I think that is all the details you should need to know whats going on
Nicos wrote: If you do not have clustered shot or a +5 weapon then buy cold Iron, Silver, adamantine arrows just to make sure you can bypass most kinds of DR (holy is also very useful). I have a +4 but I don't have clustered shot, I can't collect materials anymore, but I will keep that in mind for future battles, thanks
Yeah, frankly you can't really do anything other than fire arrows at it for damage, so basically you need to do everything you can so it doesn't kill you while you're at it.
OHKO minions is good - as an archer you should be able to murder 4-5 a turn before they get close to you. (It sounds like you're fighting this thing alone - is that right?)
You probably want a mount, so that you can ride around while making full attacks (no penalty if your mount only does one move). Alternately depending on the terrain, you can just use your polymorph ability to keep evading and pestering it with arrows.
Good luck!
Question, for rulings simplicity lets say the shape-shifting rulings are the same as beast form, would I be able to stay invisible while shape-shifting?
Reynard_the_fox wrote: You probably want a mount, so that you can ride around while making full attacks (no penalty if your mount only does one move). Alternately depending on the terrain, you can just use your polymorph ability to keep evading and pestering it with arrows. These creatures are slippery and slimy, so I don't think mounting will be very effective as it would add difficult terrain to the DC
Reynard_the_fox wrote: (It sounds like you're fighting this thing alone - is that right?) There are other NPCs that I may potentially command, except that a few of them don't like me, in fact they hate my guts and probably want me dead...
Uh, shoot the thing a lot?
Why do you think you need special tactics? What about this creature has you spooked where you don't think just shooting it will be sufficient?
mplindustries wrote: Uh, shoot the thing a lot?
Why do you think you need special tactics? What about this creature has you spooked where you don't think just shooting it will be sufficient?
I could just use rapid shot repeatedly every round, but where is the fun in that? Also this is an "epic" battle, once I beat this thing I will still have to fight more, something else I didn't mention, this isn't even the "boss", not to mention I'm a ninja, who has a measly d8 hit die, and this is a gargantuan creature surrounded by minions who could easily stockpile me and drain out my health, or weaken me enough so that I could possibly either die or fail against the later boss fight.
That is why I want to come up with a way to creatively deal sufficient damage as fast as possible.
Me being an archer makes this kind of job a lot harder...
Sorry but there is no really that much options for an archer.
Nicos wrote: Sorry but there is no really that much options for an archer. Yeah I know, all of the best options I've seen include Shrink Item, which I don't have access to, at least not at this point in the story.
I guess the most I can do is shoot fire arrows at it.
Try to be invisible and catch them flatfooted to max your sneak attack damage. Maybe try to first prepare the battle field with oil or the like to set it afire with alchemist fire.
Try to setup a diversion to send them into the wrong direction and separate them, e.g. an explosion.
If you can't take the boss down quickly enough wipe away the mooks first or they will kill you with action economy.
Without your feat and trick list it's difficult to give you more tips...
Hope that helps :-)
Sangalor wrote: Try to be invisible and catch them flatfooted to max your sneak attack damage. Maybe try to first prepare the battle field with oil or the like to set it afire with alchemist fire.
Try to setup a diversion to send them into the wrong direction and separate them, e.g. an explosion.
If you can't take the boss down quickly enough wipe away the mooks first or they will kill you with action economy.
Without your feat and trick list it's difficult to give you more tips...
Hope that helps :-)
I would like to go invisible a lot but I only have 5 ki points :\ I would provide my feats and such but i don't have access to my sheet atm, something I was thinking was, since this is taking place in a city, going through buildings to get behind the monster, or I could go crow and fly behind buildings to cause it to lose track of me, what do you think?
Well scratch the sneak attacks :\ Looking closer at the pic he sent me of the monster, it has eyes all over its body
BigP4nda wrote: Well scratch the sneak attacks :\ Looking closer at the pic he sent me of the monster, it has eyes all over its body
Doesn't matter if you are hiding well enough or invisible or use darkness plus darkvision...
Consider potions, use magic device for scrolls of greater invisibility or renting spellcaster services...
BigP4nda wrote: Sangalor wrote: Try to be invisible and catch them flatfooted to max your sneak attack damage. Maybe try to first prepare the battle field with oil or the like to set it afire with alchemist fire.
Try to setup a diversion to send them into the wrong direction and separate them, e.g. an explosion.
If you can't take the boss down quickly enough wipe away the mooks first or they will kill you with action economy.
Without your feat and trick list it's difficult to give you more tips...
Hope that helps :-)
I would like to go invisible a lot but I only have 5 ki points :\ I would provide my feats and such but i don't have access to my sheet atm, something I was thinking was, since this is taking place in a city, going through buildings to get behind the monster, or I could go crow and fly behind buildings to cause it to lose track of me, what do you think? Yes, something like that.
Drawing out a battlw can be to your advantage.
Be sure to stop its regeneration if it has it.
Potions of blur are a worthy investment as well, if you can get them also look at sniper goggles.
Not sure if this is an option.... but for archers gravity bow is a good spell to have.
Whats your characters UMD? Get a wand of gravity bow.
Sangalor wrote: Potions of blur are a worthy investment as well, if you can get them also look at sniper goggles. Funny you should say that, 1) I actually have thought about getting a scarf enchanted with minor displacement, animated, and silk to steel/permanancy spell
2) my GM has forbid the use of sniper goggles, too broken xD
Jacob Saltband wrote: Not sure if this is an option.... but for archers gravity bow is a good spell to have.
Whats your characters UMD? Get a wand of gravity bow.
Never thought about that, I'm not sure what my UMD is, I don't have my character sheet on me, and that's not a skill I look at often. I don't think its very high
Gravity bow increases your damage from 1d8 to 2d6... worth it if you can do it precombat, but as a 1 minute buff (exactly) when UMDing, probably not worth it.
David_Bross wrote: Gravity bow increases your damage from 1d8 to 2d6... worth it if you can do it precombat, but as a 1 minute buff (exactly) when UMDing, probably not worth it. Could I get a sorcerer/wizard to cast it on my bow?
Its a ranger only spell. You might be able to get it as an oil(potion).
Jacob Saltband wrote: Its a ranger only spell. You might be able to get it as an oil(potion). pfsrd says sorcerer/wizard 1
BigP4nda wrote: Jacob Saltband wrote: Its a ranger only spell. You might be able to get it as an oil(potion). pfsrd says sorcerer/wizard 1
Your right.
Ranger, Sorcerer/Wizard.
I would suggest turning into a crow fly really high turn back to ninja shoot it at full round action.turn into crow again and fly back up in a different location and pepper it again. You need to find the total distance one can fall in 6 seconds and get higher than that.
You ever tried doing anything coordinated while failling down? Terminal velocity style towards the end of the fall? I like the idea, but would throw some insane penalties out, or make fly checks or w/e.
Also, shifting back to crow after a 6 second-arrow shooting-plunge I'd probably ask for some fly checks to pull-up again. Think hiding between buildings or shooting and then flying to another rooftop sounds easier.
Just get some normal form of flying, sit 100ft above it and pepper it with arrows. Make sure you only start doing this once things get difficult: pull it out too early and the DM will likely find ways to shut it down.
He has to work with what the party currently has. There is no shopping sprees before this endeavour.
BigP4nda wrote: I am playing a game with my brother-in-law, he is the GM. I am going to be going against a gargantuan monster in our next session and I've been thinking of creative ways to effectively deal damage to it as an Archer.
I was wondering if anybody here could enlighten me with suggestion on how you would fight a gargantuan creature (with tentacles - no not hentai related) as an archer.
What level? I ask because I've always liked both the flavor and effectiveness of Blinding Critical for an Archer.
Wiggz wrote: What level? I ask because I've always liked both the flavor and effectiveness of Blinding Critical for an Archer. I am an 8th level Ninja/Sniper
Titania, the Summer Queen wrote: He has to work with what the party currently has. There is no shopping sprees before this endeavour. There actually might be a way for me to take some time and gather things, I did so before actually coming to the battlefield, atm in the story all the stores and buildings are evacuated so I can get everything for free
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