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I haven't.
I find different games fun for different reasons. Pathfinder for the cooperative aspects and character creation, video game RPGs for their more focused story and exploration, shooters for the competition and skill involved, and so on.
All of them scratch a different "itch".
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Not really a problem for me either.
Are you looking for a game that's fantasy like Pathfinder? I loved Witcher 2, Skyrim, and even Kingdoms of Amalor for that.
Engaging storiws? Dishonored and it's DLC for me and a few friends love Last of Us.
Over the top and actiony? Borderlands was sheer fun and Saints Row 4 comes soon.
Playing with other? I'm still on SWTOR for that.
What are you looking for?
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If you like retro gaming, Planescape Torment or the Baldur's Gate series (Baldur's Gate,Shadows of Amn,Throne of Bhaal) are amongst the greatest games ever.
Or you could wait a bit and try the new title from the guys behind the aformentioned games, called Project Eterninty atm.
Positive things said about Dragon Age 2.
*Twitch*
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Oh, I AM looking forward to DA3, but as far as I'm concerned the 3 is just a quirk of numbering.
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W01fe01, I think it's just going to be a matter of changing personal tastes.
I'll admit, I'm in my 30s (as close to the actual number as I'll give out) and I still play Pokemon. Fell in love w/Pikachu in 96 and still collect them all. So it might be that your sensibilities and what you want out of a game is changing.
I can say I'm looking forward to Watchdogs, perhaps Evil Within, Deadpool (when I can afford it), and any Phoenix Wright game I can get my hands on. I know it's to each his own, but we'll be more than happy to keep offering suggestions. Figure out what you're really looking for out of a game and I'm sure someone here'll have something to scratch the itch.
(And I'll forgive you for Dishonored, just this once ^_^)
Yes, but what about good ol' vidya gaems?
May I suggest you Shadowrun Returns, which will release on Steam at the end of the month? It is based on the Shadowrun PnP RPG, so it should be complex enough for your taste. However, it is a kickstarter game that was produced with limited budget, so don't expect anything mind-blowing. It is also a mix of steam-punk and fantasy, but there is melee weapons in the game.
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May I suggest a good dose of sunlight and real life activities. I find when I get bored with video games, RPGs, Magic, and reading, that doing something real helps. My personal favorite is my martial arts classes, the hitting and being hit by real people and walking awaynwith a smile on your face... priceless. For realz try it sometime.
Positive things said about Dragon Age 2.*Twitch*
It's generally okay for people to like things that you don't like as much as the thing that came before it.
It's generally okay for people to like things that you don't like as much as the thing that came before it.
Lies.
Damn lies.
diablo 2 played a number of years
Have you tried Torchlight and Torchlight 2? Made by many of the people who worked on Diablo 2, with a very similar feel. The setting is a little more steampunk but a great action RPG if you just want to kill and loot for awhile.
pokemon i admit, to playing it from time to time
If you have a Nintendo DS or 3DS, check out Rune Factory; it's a cross between an action-RPG and a farming sim. This isn't directly related to Pokemon save to say if you like building up friendships with pets, and anime-style art, and a game that is all-ages friendly, you may well like Rune Factory. It IS an RPG, has a great crafting system, and has a good story, but it's also just got a lot of slice of life elements. There's a new one for the 3DS coming out around now.
never winter nights was fun
Try Neverwinter Nights 2 if you haven't -- you can get it DRM free on GOG -- the game engine is clunky but all patched up in its complete edition form, it plays pretty well. The first expansion, Mask of Betrayer, is as well written as Torment. I do not say this lightly.
The second expansion, Storm of Zehir, has a feeling akin to the old Gold Box games, especially Savage Frontier.
Pay attention right now to Steam because there's a lot of stuff on sale (and a lot of recent stuff on Sale on GOG where you might still be able to catch some good deals).
If you at least tolerated Skyrim and can do a non fantasy RPG, go play Fallout: New Vegas (and anything else in the Fallout series) -- I always play in 3rd person and I think it looks fine, and there's some great story stuff and gameplay in there.
If you want to skew away from RPG proper but stick in the fantasy realm, maybe try a strategy game? Warlock: Master of the Arcane is great (and now that they've fully got it going it really IS as close to Master of Magic II you're gonna get), and I've heard good things about Fallen Enchantress (one of the devs on that was the Fall From Heaven Civ Mod dev).
Also, Wasteland 2.
I've been playing a lot of Dragon's Dogma. It's a really good game for an original IP, with Dark Arisen fixing some of the bugs in the first game. Gameplay is very fun and similar to Dark Souls, magic requires good timing and concentration, and the monsters are incredibly awesome to fight. Especially with larger creatures, as you can grab onto them and climb them to strike at the weak point, like in Shadow of the Colossus. Very good marriage of the best stuff from Western RPGS and JRPGS. And you can create your own character with a very robust creation system. Very god game, very tough game. Not Dark Souls tough, but tough nontheless. Plus, you can fight a "totally-legally-distinct-not" beholder :)
Also, the creator loves the anime Berserk and they have the armor sets of Guts and Griffith in it. And one of the characters, Mercedes, looks a lot like Iomedae. :)
Mercedes is a character whose incompetence inspires great amusement in me.
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Tales of the Abyss. If you can stick it through the deplorable behavior of the main character through the first third of the game, it's worth it to see him grow. Also, saved game plus and lots of miniperks.
Customizable growth? Yes.
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You might also enjoy Legend of Grimrock.
May I suggest a good dose of sunlight and real life activities. I find when I get bored with video games, RPGs, Magic, and reading, that doing something real helps. My personal favorite is my martial arts classes, the hitting and being hit by real people and walking awaynwith a smile on your face... priceless. For realz try it sometime.
I hate to admit it, but you are right.
I'm in my first 40s and due to excess of gaming/reading i began having little physical troubles,so had to start going to gym again (after about 20 years) and am really enjoying it.
I'd recommend you give Dark Souls and DDO a whirl.
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Back in the early days of personal computers, I'm talking Vic-20 or Apple-II days, I was really into D&D and computers. One of the reasons I took programming classes was to learn how to program my own personal computers to help with playing D&D. The first significant program I ever wrote was an automated character creator that allowed the user to select class, race and level and automatically generated character sheets for me to use as the GM to run the game. The second program I wrote was a combat helper application that managed combat.
During that period I discovered text-based adventure games. I also joined pretty much every major computer network like Compuserve, Genie, even America Online when it first debuted. I ran online D&D games on Compuserve back in the 80s.
I moved to a job where I managed personal computer programmers and we wrote games, but our market niche was not one that allowed for creating huge budget games. Even so some of my programmers managed to create some amazing games and went on to become significant players in the gaming market.
At that time, around 1990 - 1995 or so, as games like Everquest were expanding the concept of what online gaming meant, I thought that online role playing games would continue to improve the user experience and eventually you'd see an environment where you could essentially play a table top game online.
Instead the first-person shooter video game was born, took the market by storm, and has been the dominant force in gaming ever since. For an entire decade after the release of games like "Doom" or "Max Payne" virtually all of the research and development of gaming went towards improving the first person shooter model. In the online world a similar niche was created with the concept of leveling up through farming and creating a "cool-down" based game mechanic that relied almost entirely on spamming control keys and following scripts to win battles that were essentially choreographed hit point attrition and not much else.
The "role playing" part of "online role playing game" was relegated to people trying to type their text in an accent on "role playing servers" that were based on the same hit point attrition game engine.
And things haven't changed much since then.
When I play a game like Halo, other than the awesome graphics, the actual game play and user experience is not much different than the original "Doom" I played twenty years ago now.
That's really sad.
What I have always wanted is to have an online environment where you created ongoing characters that could join other online gamers as play groups which were much more like a game of D&D, with the ability to have the game play monitored and adjusted in real time by an online GM. I wanted a game where my character could not only interact freely with NPCs, but could interact freely with the game environment itself.
Of course that level of interaction implies a game engine that is far more granular than game engines have been so far. Being able to pick up a rock seems awful simple in a tabletop real world game, but in a computer game engine environment, it requires a level of programming detail that has simply been far beyond anything that existed until recently.
Now, with games like Minecraft and Second Life and things like that, I am finally beginning to see the first hope that the sort of game I want to play might actually be written and made available.
But until then every MMORPG is basically just the original Everquest with some slight modifications and better graphics, and every first person shooter is just Doom again.
Thus far I've found some NWN1 servers that were, to one degree or another, about the closest you'll likely find to what you're looking for, AD. I must have spent almost seven or eight years on various servers, various communities, and until recently (within the last year or two) nearly playing daily, often online for four or more hours, either playerside or GMside. I do recall one server that was completely based around playing in a tabletop session-like format - the same group of characters, one GM (on occasion more), and the plot unfolding, just using the format of the game engine instead of the tabletop, dice, and paperwork.
Sadly, those servers are going by the wayside as time rolls on, and no game yet has managed to replace them.
(Admittedly, a lot of the problem - for me - is that my preferred community has, for the most part, moved on. They have families, they have busy lives, and what little play time they have tends to get used on other games than NWN. The NWN servers that are still active are starting to become more populated by the younger generation - the age I was when I started playing, admittedly - and playstyle differences and personality clashes have lessened my interest in involvement with most of them. So the people playing are folks I am not interested in spending time with, and the people I do want to spend time with are not available for one reason or another.
I imagine it's an issue many a gaming table before me has seen.)
I don't get much new either, myself. The games I've purchased most recently have been re-releases, retro-clones, or the occasional interesting recommendation off Steam, and RPGs for Nintendo handhelds (mostly Pokemon, Golden Sun, and Mario & Luigi). Heck, Nintendo handhelds are really the only console I pay any attention to anymore, I have zero interest in most of what Sony and Microsoft are putting out in the "big leagues" console wars.
Incidentally, I've always been slightly interested in Minecraft, and awed by what some people can do with it, but I know I don't have the patience for it =P
It's sort of interesting to me that for most of my adult life two of my most compelling interests have been computers and gaming, and yet I've never really been that much "into" computer games.
Although my wife and family would probably scoff to hear me say that based on how much time I have spent playing games.
But I tend to find a game I like and play it to some sort of conclusion and then I might not play a computer game again for years.
The first computer game I played with any regularity was actually a Commodore 64 game called "Mule." I loved that game. But after mastering that game I didn't play another game until I bought a Macintosh and played "Might and Magic" and "Reach for the Stars." Those were great games too, but I only played them until I was no longer challenged by them, which was probably six months or so.
A few years later I got into Everquest, built up a couple of high level characters and joined a raiding guild. Then WoW came out and the EQ community more or less split, our guild dissolved as most members went to WoW and I stopped playing online games. At about that time I found "Baldur's Gate" and played that for a while, eventually playing all the games in that series, but I always liked the sandbox style of the original Baldur's Gate more than any of the more plot-driven sequels. In fact I found that direction to be counter to my own interests.
Then some friends convinced me to join their WoW guild and I built up a couple of high level WoW characters and went raiding. That lasted for probably a year and a half before I got bored with it.
Somewhere in there I started playing Civilization and Alpha Centauri, but I never really got into them, I just played them.
I tried out Oblivion and thought the graphics were awesome, but again it just felt like a rehash of games I'd been playing forever.
So I went a couple years without playing any computer games at all.
Then my brother invited me to play "Grepolis" and now I'm playing Grepolis, just about to break into the top 100 players in the world I am in. I suspect when I break into the top 100 I'll finally get bored with this game too.
In the end my interest level seems to wane quickly. I tend to master the game and then lose interest.
What I really want is a game that is open ended and focuses on allowing me to develop online character personas and interact with other players in free-form interesting ways, but in a fantasy environment where I get to be heroic.
Just not finding that game yet.
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(Admittedly, a lot of the problem - for me - is that my preferred community has, for the most part, moved on. They have families, they have busy lives, and what little play time they have tends to get used on other games than NWN.)
I so feel your pain on this bud. Even with my 5 years of raiding on Firetree, and all the other games I have played, The Dalelands server is something I still look back on and marvel at just how much I really enjoyed it and the people on it, and how I wish I could find a game that relived that experience.
(Admittedly, a lot of the problem - for me - is that my preferred community has, for the most part, moved on. They have families, they have busy lives, and what little play time they have tends to get used on other games than NWN.)I so feel your pain on this bud. Even with my 5 years of raiding on Firetree, and all the other games I have played, The Dalelands server is something I still look back on and marvel at just how much I really enjoyed it and the people on it, and how I wish I could find a game that relived that experience.
I still poke the forums about once or twice a month looking for activity >_> Though admittedly sometimes feels like fishing out of a dry well.
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good conversations in here.
wasteland looks like it could be a party version of old fallout games, ill have to keep an eye on it.
dragons dogma ive seen, looks great, i may have to check it out, at the moment tho im trying to save some money before a big trip. plus i tend to wish they had a version for computer >.>
installed dark souls on my computer, i played demons/dark souls on ps3 a lot in the past. very atmospheric and the difficulty i found i enjoyed.
Legends of grimrock i typically dont like first person fantasy games, not that it doesnt look interesting.
Legends of Grimrock reminded me of the old Eye of the Beholder series. I did enjoy Legends of Grimrock. I also enjoy a good action rpg so I picked up Van Helsing in the Steam sale. I have not tried the game out yet thou. I also play SWToR every once in awhile with friends /family. The different class stories keep me interested.
I have been on a strategy game tear recently. Warlock Master of the Arcane was the best of the strategy games I tried. I have played a awful lot of Warlock recently.
Legends of grimrock i typically dont like first person fantasy games,
While Legend of Grimrock is, technically, a first-person perspective game, it's not first-person in the sense that Skyrim is first-person.
Also, the creator loves the anime Berserk and they have the armor sets of Guts and Griffith in it. And one of the characters, Mercedes, looks a lot like Iomedae. :)
I would say one of the creators of the game IS the author of the manga Berserk, Kentaro Miura. And Mercedes (unuseful char)is inspired by Caska of the same manga.
At about that time I found "Baldur's Gate" and played that for a while, eventually playing all the games in that series, but I always liked the sandbox style of the original Baldur's Gate more than any of the more plot-driven sequels. In fact I found that direction to be counter to my own interests.
You are not alone...
IMHO, the original Baldur's Gate presented the perfect balance between sandbox exploration and story-driven experience. There is also the fact that you, the protagonist, were neither a ''random guy'' or ''the Chosen One'' that was destined to save the world. While being above average, your character was part of a complex world and a story that would still exist and unfold without him, unlike Elder Scrolls games and most JRPG where the world would be destroyed without the player/protagonist. This is something that I really liked about BG. That, plus the difficulty of the tactical battles, the huge number of NPC that could join your party (want to do an all-wizards or all-rogues party? no problem!) and the fact that nothing was randomized in the game (I hate randomized loot).
At about that time I found "Baldur's Gate" and played that for a while, eventually playing all the games in that series, but I always liked the sandbox style of the original Baldur's Gate more than any of the more plot-driven sequels. In fact I found that direction to be counter to my own interests.You are not alone...
IMHO, the original Baldur's Gate presented the perfect balance between sandbox exploration and story-driven experience. There is also the fact that you, the protagonist, were neither a ''random guy'' or ''the Chosen One'' that was destined to save the world. While being above average, your character was part of a complex world and a story that would still exist and unfold without him, unlike Elder Scrolls games and most JRPG where the world would be destroyed without the player/protagonist. This is something that I really liked about BG. That, plus the difficulty of the tactical battles, the huge number of NPC that could join your party (want to do an all-wizards or all-rogues party? no problem!) and the fact that nothing was randomized in the game (I hate randomized loot).
I really did enjoy Baldur's Gate. There was one encounter you had to do against a dragon. You weren't expected to win, in fact you weren't even supposed to fight the thing, because it would just stomp you to dust.
I killed it. Twice. And the game let me.
You mean Firkraag? The red wyrm which invites you in his lair to test your skills against his minions?
In the following dialogue you can say "I'll come back for you" or something similar without making him going aggro.
A few rounds of preparations,changing equip and spells,preparing a lot of summons (you can even do this in front of him,he doesn't notice) and then you can attack him with a surprise round.
I usually killed him in 3-4 rounds this way.
Apart from the XP, why leaving Carsomir the Holy Avenger with him?
You mean Firkraag? The red wyrm which invites you in his lair to test your skills against his minions?
In the following dialogue you can say "I'll come back for you" or something similar without making him going aggro.
A few rounds of preparations,changing equip and spells,preparing a lot of summons (you can even do this in front of him,he doesn't notice) and then you can attack him with a surprise round.
I usually killed him in 3-4 rounds this way.
Apart from the XP, why leaving Carsomir the Holy Avenger with him?
That might be the one. What I did was to walk up to him, hit him with "spell resistance" taking his spell resistance from like 90% down to 10%, then hit him with "petrification", which killed him, then "flesh to stone" which revived him with a single hit point, then killed him again.
I got unbelievable XP. I did it at a pretty low level too.
I really did enjoy Baldur's Gate. There was one encounter you had to do against a dragon. You weren't expected to win, in fact you weren't even supposed to fight the thing, because it would just stomp you to dust.
I killed it. Twice. And the game let me.
I think you're speaking about Baldur's Gate II: Shadow of Amn. There was no dragon in the original Baldur's Gate, only wyverns. =^.^=
I think you're speaking about Baldur's Gate II: Shadow of Amn. There was no dragon in the original Baldur's Gate, only wyverns. =^.^=I really did enjoy Baldur's Gate. There was one encounter you had to do against a dragon. You weren't expected to win, in fact you weren't even supposed to fight the thing, because it would just stomp you to dust.
I killed it. Twice. And the game let me.
Probably so. I just remember the dragon fight as being part of Baldur's Gate.
I still liked the first game better than the sequels.
OP: What are you after in video-games? Do you look for a similar deeper and interactive coop experience as PnP? If so and you do not mind sci-fi, there is:
Artemis Spaceship Bridge Simulator
I'm not aware of a similar coop fantasy simulation rpg - now that would a fun video-game to make. I can even think of a model it could be based off.
Yeah, I think the only RPG's I nowadays find very interesting are the newer ones from BioWare. It's only there that I can still find the intense story experience I get from real RPG sessions with my friends. Sad that no other developers can manage this, especially since BioWare's methods have some flaws, especially lately.
Probably because EA is tying their hands.
I utterly detest DA2 as a follow-up to Origins. I don't think it's a coincidence that it came after EA started taking a more active interest in the company.
To be fair though, ME3's multiplayer was really fun IMO.
Aside from the utterly wretched endings, Mass Effect 3 is the best game BioWare ever made. And, although they had too much pride to correct their mistake, they at least kinda-sorta apologized with the Citadel DLC.
So, we'll see what they come up with in Dragon Age 3. I'll wait for the reviews this time.
I couldn't get into ME3 like I could ME1&2 for some reason. Not sure if that was a problem with the game, or me though.